Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[Moomin]

Never thought the Zat multi quote barrage would find its way in here.

Someone mentioned bombing of schools.

 

[Tin-Tin]

 

[BlueToff]

I mean... all this free Palestine stuff, I agree btw, but it's just another example of people who don't actually have a clue jumping on a bandwagon isn't it?

I'm not defending what Israel do/have done and it's a horrid situation there and the people that suffer the most, as always, are the civilians caught in the crossfire.

But Hamas is a terrorist organisation (according to the US, EU, Canada Japan and Israel - while some countries, including the UK, count only the militia part of it as a terrorist org) and is a threat. Now, I think Palestine should be free, but should it be being run by an extremist organisation? Is that the ideal solution?

I don't know what the answer is and nobody really does, but too many people, too many self-righteous people with nothing better to do, are of course convinced that it's all black and white. And that's what angers me.

Now Israel have done some awful things, and it has to be brought to some form of resolution and they have to be condemned. But let's face it, there'd be hundreds, if not thousands, of deaths on the Israeli side if not for their defence system. So I find the whole picking sides thing strange because it's all pretty bloody horrid.

Now as for the oppression of Palestine and its people, then that needs to change. It's just how it changes... It can't, in my mind, be left in the hands of an extremist organisation. For the good of the Palestinians, above all else.

 

[superblue123]

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Boris, Gove, Jenrick all instantly and loudly condemning this drive past in St. John’s Wood where (allegedly) anti Semitic shouts were made.
Of the destruction and murder in Palestine; not so much.
#thinkofthepartydonors

You need to be careful with your language. Your hashtag ranges from overt antisemitism to naivety - let’s hope in this case it’s the latter. The anti Semitic nature of your hashtag is directly from the book of the Protocols of Elders of Zion where it is claimed that Jews control and finance the world. I understand tensions are high but plead everyone in this conversation (both pro-Palestinian and pro-israel) are careful of their language and not wander into the realm of anti-semitism or islamophobia.

 

[coollino]

You need to be careful with your language. Your hashtag ranges from overt antisemitism to naivety - let’s hope in this case it’s the latter. The anti Semitic nature of your hashtag is directly from the book of the Protocols of Elders of Zion where it is claimed that Jews control and finance the world. I understand tensions are high but plead everyone in this conversation (both pro-Palestinian and pro-israel) are careful of their language and not wander into the realm of anti-semitism or islamophobia.

The Conservative Friends of Israel?

 

[Khalekan]

Fantastic.

 

[Khalekan]

You need to be careful with your language. Your hashtag ranges from overt antisemitism to naivety - let’s hope in this case it’s the latter. The anti Semitic nature of your hashtag is directly from the book of the Protocols of Elders of Zion where it is claimed that Jews control and finance the world. I understand tensions are high but plead everyone in this conversation (both pro-Palestinian and pro-israel) are careful of their language and not wander into the realm of anti-semitism or islamophobia.

It is a sad aspect of this latest Israeli onslaught on the Palestinians that many previously thought off anti-semetic tropes are being given legitimacy.

Why on earth is anyone, and who on earth is bankrolling, the state of the art military hardware of this fundamentalist, belligerent, arrogant and callous state, led by a very corrupt and discredited leader?

Certainly not Israel itself.

And why is the overwhelming majority of the press in the western world indulging in the falacious “both sides” narrative when clearly it the biggest mismatch since David Moyes brought a knife to the Ethihad corral a decade ago?

 

[Wizard]

I mean... all this free Palestine stuff, I agree btw, but it's just another example of people who don't actually have a clue jumping on a bandwagon isn't it?

I'm not defending what Israel do/have done and it's a horrid situation there and the people that suffer the most, as always, are the civilians caught in the crossfire.

But Hamas is a terrorist organisation (according to the US, EU, Canada Japan and Israel - while some countries, including the UK, count only the militia part of it as a terrorist org) and is a threat. Now, I think Palestine should be free, but should it be being run by an extremist organisation? Is that the ideal solution?

I don't know what the answer is and nobody really does, but too many people, too many self-righteous people with nothing better to do, are of course convinced that it's all black and white. And that's what angers me.

Now Israel have done some awful things, and it has to be brought to some form of resolution and they have to be condemned. But let's face it, there'd be hundreds, if not thousands, of deaths on the Israeli side if not for their defence system. So I find the whole picking sides thing strange because it's all pretty bloody horrid.

Now as for the oppression of Palestine and its people, then that needs to change. It's just how it changes... It can't, in my mind, be left in the hands of an extremist organisation. For the good of the Palestinians, above all else.

I'm sure the Palestinians regard the Israeli government as terrorists if you go by the actual definition of terrorism. Nelson Mandela was considered a terrorist at one point and spent 27 years in jail for it. You can't apply the same rule to the oppressed and the oppressors because they are operating under very different conditions.

You mention the Iron Dome and the situation Israel would be in without it. But firstly, the have it and secondly the situation wouldn't be what it is without it as they wouldn't be able to carry on smacking Palestine down if they were having the same number of citizens killed as Palestine are. A ceasefire would be found much quicker if the militarily playing field were more even. Israel having the Iron Dome and the backing of the USA means they can basically do what they want and escalate things to whatever level they want.

Not knowing the answer doesn't mean people should just sit back and not talk about it. You yourself have done exactly what you are complaining about. It's a horrendous situation and the more people talking about it brings attention to it and hopefully leads us to a quicker resolution of this specific situation. And then hopefully leads to meaningful talks to try and find a long lasting, stable peace.

 

[Walken]

I mean... all this free Palestine stuff, I agree btw, but it's just another example of people who don't actually have a clue jumping on a bandwagon isn't it?

I'm not defending what Israel do/have done and it's a horrid situation there and the people that suffer the most, as always, are the civilians caught in the crossfire.

But Hamas is a terrorist organisation (according to the US, EU, Canada Japan and Israel - while some countries, including the UK, count only the militia part of it as a terrorist org) and is a threat. Now, I think Palestine should be free, but should it be being run by an extremist organisation? Is that the ideal solution?

I don't know what the answer is and nobody really does, but too many people, too many self-righteous people with nothing better to do, are of course convinced that it's all black and white. And that's what angers me.

Now Israel have done some awful things, and it has to be brought to some form of resolution and they have to be condemned. But let's face it, there'd be hundreds, if not thousands, of deaths on the Israeli side if not for their defence system. So I find the whole picking sides thing strange because it's all pretty bloody horrid.

Now as for the oppression of Palestine and its people, then that needs to change. It's just how it changes... It can't, in my mind, be left in the hands of an extremist organisation. For the good of the Palestinians, above all else.

Sounds like a load of apologist crap laced with your usual dollop of ill deserved arrogance. The vast vast majority are not picking sides, they are asking for the slaughter of helpless civilians to stop, but of course as with every other topic you know better, helmet.

 

[Zatara]

well last time they used chemical weapons such as phosphorus bombs.

Also remember bombing a beach where some young boys were playing football, they tried to palm it off as a legitimate strike until they were proved wrong.

maybe they thought Hamas were hiding in the ball. But what makes me laught is the the victim blaming of the Palestinians and provoking violence from Palestinians then using disproportionate force on them.

This started because the Israeli forces tried to storm the al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem whilst people were praying during Ramadan.

Not to mention settler attacks on Palestinian communities with IDF protection in case the Palestinians retaliate which is never reported in western press circles.

Could be Netanyahu is doing this deliberately to stay in power which would also benefit Hamas too now the elections are postponed

This is something that's not being mentioned enough. The catalyst was attacking a building of worship full of people during the most holiest of months. Absolutely scandalous.

Lets just ignore there being a huge amount of rocks on the floor in the mosque.

Then lets ignore the other rocks outside the mosque which had been hurled at people and later the police (once they were called).

Whether thats a mosque, church or synagogue they knew what they were doing.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Anti Semitism of any kind is wholly wrong and they are right to call it out. Nevertheless they have been almost ambivalent in their statements about what is going on over there.

You need to be careful with your language. Your hashtag ranges from overt antisemitism to naivety - let’s hope in this case it’s the latter. The anti Semitic nature of your hashtag is directly from the book of the Protocols of Elders of Zion where it is claimed that Jews control and finance the world. I understand tensions are high but plead everyone in this conversation (both pro-Palestinian and pro-israel) are careful of their language and not wander into the realm of anti-semitism or islamophobia.

Perhaps you should read the thread more thoroughly before calling me anti Semite. This whole thread has managed to avoid accusations of that kind despite strongly held opinions on both sides. Yet you come along and the first thing you do is start hurling it around whilst pleading for calm. My post that you quoted whist calling me an anti Semite was critical only of British Government Ministers response. Everyone else saw that. Clearly didn’t fit with your agenda.
Don’t call me that again.

 

[coollino]

An underrated part of @Zatara 's insanity his when he tried to appear intellectual by liking Mick's posts in the election thread, misunderstands them and then comes back in here lol

 

[Tramps_mate]

I mean... all this free Palestine stuff, I agree btw, but it's just another example of people who don't actually have a clue jumping on a bandwagon isn't it?

I'm not defending what Israel do/have done and it's a horrid situation there and the people that suffer the most, as always, are the civilians caught in the crossfire.

But Hamas is a terrorist organisation (according to the US, EU, Canada Japan and Israel - while some countries, including the UK, count only the militia part of it as a terrorist org) and is a threat. Now, I think Palestine should be free, but should it be being run by an extremist organisation? Is that the ideal solution?

I don't know what the answer is and nobody really does, but too many people, too many self-righteous people with nothing better to do, are of course convinced that it's all black and white. And that's what angers me.

Now Israel have done some awful things, and it has to be brought to some form of resolution and they have to be condemned. But let's face it, there'd be hundreds, if not thousands, of deaths on the Israeli side if not for their defence system. So I find the whole picking sides thing strange because it's all pretty bloody horrid.

Now as for the oppression of Palestine and its people, then that needs to change. It's just how it changes... It can't, in my mind, be left in the hands of an extremist organisation. For the good of the Palestinians, above all else.

A threat to who other than apparently Israel..

They're only terrorists to Israel. To A LOT of others they are freedom fighters.. You know how people wear t-shirts with Che Guevara on?

 

[Tramps_mate]

Lets just ignore there being a huge amount of rocks on the floor in the mosque.

Then lets ignore the other rocks outside the mosque which had been hurled at people and later the police (once they were called).

Whether thats a mosque, church or synagogue they knew what they were doing.

So Israel reply with rockets.. do you even read what you type?

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I mean... all this free Palestine stuff, I agree btw, but it's just another example of people who don't actually have a clue jumping on a bandwagon isn't it?

I'm not defending what Israel do/have done and it's a horrid situation there and the people that suffer the most, as always, are the civilians caught in the crossfire.

But Hamas is a terrorist organisation (according to the US, EU, Canada Japan and Israel - while some countries, including the UK, count only the militia part of it as a terrorist org) and is a threat. Now, I think Palestine should be free, but should it be being run by an extremist organisation? Is that the ideal solution?

I don't know what the answer is and nobody really does, but too many people, too many self-righteous people with nothing better to do, are of course convinced that it's all black and white. And that's what angers me.

Now Israel have done some awful things, and it has to be brought to some form of resolution and they have to be condemned. But let's face it, there'd be hundreds, if not thousands, of deaths on the Israeli side if not for their defence system. So I find the whole picking sides thing strange because it's all pretty bloody horrid.

Now as for the oppression of Palestine and its people, then that needs to change. It's just how it changes... It can't, in my mind, be left in the hands of an extremist organisation. For the good of the Palestinians, above all else.

You are ignoring why they need a defence system.