Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[LostLegend]

Now, I could argue that we win that war if we don't open a second front in Iraq for a whole host of reasons,

I somewhat disagree here.
I don't think you can win a war against idealism with bombs and bullets.

 

[tsubaki]

It's a lot easier for us to make sense of it from the outside, than it is from the inside. The Senate vote to invade Afghanistan was 98-0. If there was anyone opposed to that war in September of 2001, I never met them.

It took some time before it was evident that our policy of regime change had failed, and longer for us to withdraw. Now, I could argue that we win that war if we don't open a second front in Iraq for a whole host of reasons, but if we had won for good we would have been the first. The British Empire broke its teeth over there repeatedly, and we all know how the Soviet invasion ended.

Wars have an inertia to them that is difficult to overcome. Economies retool around them, humans fall prey to the sunk cost fallacy and the politicians that started/voted for them do not benefit from admitting failure.

Everyone fails in Afghanistan the moment they decide to hang around. The British did learn that, after the second time.

 

[ramacca]

Still lots of suggestion around of a ground offensive as well to follow up the bombing.

The IDF are known to be trigger happy as it is when it comes to the Palestinians, but now you potentially have them and all the reservists going in with a haze of pure anger at the Hamas atrocities (understandably) but with a civilian populace who, far from being pacified, are being bombed seemingly indiscriminately and cut off from essential supplies like water and electricity.

It has the potential to get very bloody.

The IDF didn't fancy a full ground offensive into built up Beirut 1982, fearing collosal casualties. Things may have changed in 30 years but the same scenario waits them.

 

[Yid4life]

 

[wm02]

Everyone fails in Afghanistan the moment they decide to hang around. The British did learn that, after the second time.

Very true. Believe Alexander lost more men in one day in the provinces that became Afghanistan than in the previous three or four years of battle

 

[tsubaki]

The IDF didn't fancy a full ground offensive into built up Beirut 1982, fearing collosal casualties. Things may have changed in 30 years but the same scenario waits them.

It will be far worse than it was then, both in terms of military difficulty and control of information. If the Israeli government do make the IDF go in, it will likely result in a strategic and diplomatic defeat that makes Lebanon look like a pool party full of 19 year old swimmer models.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

It’s a strange old thing with Hamas and the people of the Gaza Strip. Do the populace view them as their defenders and protectors and love them, or as the bringers of bombardment, death and destruction to the Palestinians and hate them……

Not sure they have a choice!

Next Palestinian legislative election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Efcjake]

This is detestable and horrifying, no doubt about it. I'm seeing it being widely reported.

My question is why is most of the western media not expressing similar disgust at the murder of Palestinian children also?

Latest figures have it up to 500 children dead from the Israeli response strikes.

Why is recklessly bombing areas with children considered an acceptable response?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Syria now being bombed...

Israel-Gaza latest: Israel 'strikes Syrian airports'; 447 children among dead in Gaza

Airports in Damascus and Aleppo are out of service after attacks by Israel, Syrian state media has said. It comes as the Israelis said Gaza will not be supplied with any electricity, water or fuel until hostages are freed.

news.sky.com

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

There are horrendous pics coming on line. It is an absolute disgrace.

 

[spectateur]

Hamas 'carried out a second Holocaust' in Israel British relatives say

Two British nationals, Noam Sagi and Sharon Lifschitz (pictured), spoke of how their elderly parents were torn from their beds and forcibly deported to Gaza by Hamas along with children

www.dailymail.co.uk

Israeli military says babies WERE beheaded by Hamas

Israeli Defence Forces spokesman Jonathan Conricus said a coroner who visited the aftermath of the massacre at a kibbutz near Gaza saw the children's bodies and confirmed how they died

www.dailymail.co.uk

Former chief of Hamas calls for a global 'Day of Jihad' on Friday 13th

'[We must] head to the squares and streets of the Arab and Islamic world on Friday,' said Meshaal, who currently heads Hamas's diaspora office, in a recorded statement sent to Reuters.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Daily Mail. Daily Mail. Daily Mail???

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

This is detestable and horrifying, no doubt about it. I'm seeing it being widely reported.

My question is why is most of the western media not expressing similar disgust at the murder of Palestinian children also?

Latest figures have it up to 500 children dead from the Israeli response strikes.

Why is recklessly bombing areas with children considered an acceptable response?

You'd hope that there would be general understanding that Hamas are doing terrorist things and should rightfully be brought to justice, but those poor Palestinian people are just trying to get on with their lives and survive. Dropping a bomb or firing a bullet anywhere near a child, never mind a million is an absolute disgrace and failure. There would be a better chance for empathy through dialogue but these leaders don't care for people.

 

[peteblue]

This is detestable and horrifying, no doubt about it. I'm seeing it being widely reported.

My question is why is most of the western media not expressing similar disgust at the murder of Palestinian children also?

Latest figures have it up to 500 children dead from the Israeli response strikes.

Why is recklessly bombing areas with children considered an acceptable response?

More will die unfortunately. A death is a death no matter the nationality.….

 

[DavidH]

You're conflating criticism of Musk and criticism of Twitter

I love the 'Space Karen' insult he gets on there.

 

[ramacca]

It will be far worse than it was then, both in terms of military difficulty and control of information. If the Israeli government do make the IDF go in, it will likely result in a strategic and diplomatic defeat that makes Lebanon look like a pool party full of 19 year old swimmer models.

Hezbollah is the organisation Israel fears most. They are battle hardened from their exploits in Syria and sit on 40 000 plus missile. Militarily, the IDF do not want to fight on two fronts. Political miscalculations may make that happen.