Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state
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Spadge Vernacular
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I think they will see the axis of Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah et al as being in on this to varying degrees. The suspicion has already been communicated, an example being as per the link below. It'll be interesting to see if there if a shift in relations with Russia too.
I'm sure the US/West will leverage the situation to try and unpick some of the groundwork put in by Putin and Xi with India and Saudi.
France's Macron: need to avoid regional escalation in Middle East
French President Emmanuel Macron, at a joint news conference with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi in Cairo, said on Wednesday that it was necessary to avoid regional escalation following the conflict between Israel and Hamas.
I like to think of myself as a fairly intelligent guy, but the historical unrest (for a better word) in this region is something I've never really fully understood (nor had much interest in, truth be told). But with the recent events I've gone out of my way to try and educate myself on the history behind everything. I've tried to make sure I've used balanced and factual sources, rather than just pick from either side of the debate.
To me it seems that factions of both sides of this have acted deplorably over the years, regardless of their self-perceived justification for their actions. But what is really boiling my piss, is the fact that as I now have a bit more of an understanding of the matter, is the absolute one sidedness and hypocrisy that seems to be being portrayed by the majority of western government and media, with their apparent full backing of the Israel government. Pretty sickening in all honesty, all things considered.
To me it seems that factions of both sides of this have acted deplorably over the years, regardless of their self-perceived justification for their actions. But what is really boiling my piss, is the fact that as I now have a bit more of an understanding of the matter, is the absolute one sidedness and hypocrisy that seems to be being portrayed by the majority of western government and media, with their apparent full backing of the Israel government. Pretty sickening in all honesty, all things considered.
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It seems that the US have been briefed about as per Bliken's comments. There are also interviews from from a deeply distraught father whose eight year old daughter was murdered by Hamas whilst at a friends. There is an upsetting interview with a 16 year old whose mum was killed shielding him as was his dad. It's bloody awful.
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Interesting times as the Chinese say.I think they will see the axis of Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah et al as being in on this to varying degrees. The suspicion has already been communicated, an example being as per the link below. It'll be interesting to see if there if a shift in relations with Russia too.
I'm sure the US/West will leverage the situation to try and unpick some of the groundwork put in by Putin and Xi with India and Saudi.
France's Macron: need to avoid regional escalation in Middle East
French President Emmanuel Macron, at a joint news conference with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi in Cairo, said on Wednesday that it was necessary to avoid regional escalation following the conflict between Israel and Hamas.www.reuters.com
It's going to be a quite a mess to untangle. Getting Saudi and India onside without causing new headaches is going to be a challenge.
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Like the Israeli forces are worried about precision.
Tipp blue
If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
This makes no sense Iran are supplying Russia with weapons/drones if Iran gets involved in a conflict with Isreal then Russia will lose a key part of their supply.. Iran are likley involved but not being sponsored by Russia.
An Iran Isreal war would be a nightmare scenario for Russia in Ukraine.
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Senior Hamas Official Ali Baraka: We Have Been Secretly Planning The Invasion For Two Years; Russia Sympathizes With Us, Benefits From U.S. Embroilment In This War; Any Swap Deal Should Include Hamas Prisoners In Europe And The U.S.
Senior Hamas official Ali Baraka said in an October 8, 2023 interview that aired on Russia Today TV that Hamas had been ...
Another good read.
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Much more dangerous I fear.
Daily Mail... Must be true.
Hamas 'carried out a second Holocaust' in Israel British relatives say
Two British nationals, Noam Sagi and Sharon Lifschitz (pictured), spoke of how their elderly parents were torn from their beds and forcibly deported to Gaza by Hamas along with childrenwww.dailymail.co.uk
Israeli military says babies WERE beheaded by Hamas
Israeli Defence Forces spokesman Jonathan Conricus said a coroner who visited the aftermath of the massacre at a kibbutz near Gaza saw the children's bodies and confirmed how they died
Former chief of Hamas calls for a global 'Day of Jihad' on Friday 13th
'[We must] head to the squares and streets of the Arab and Islamic world on Friday,' said Meshaal, who currently heads Hamas's diaspora office, in a recorded statement sent to Reuters.
Tipp blue
If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
Why is this a screenshot of one and a quote of the other, I'm not on twitter.. but when I click on the 2nd one it links to her page the first one is a screenshot that won't link...
To me this says it's fake.. maybe it's just I'm not familiar with twitter and you can only quote once in a tweet..
The problem with an issue like this is that there isn't a black and white answer to it, it's all different shades of grey, and in a world where nuance is gradually getting eroded away, it makes civil and sensible discourse on subjects like this exceedingly difficult
The Israeli government has done and continues to do horrible things
However, Hamas are not the good guys
You kind of need to accept that there are no good guys in this, just aggressors (the respective governments) and survivors (the Palestinian and Israeli people who are mostly sick of all this and just want peace so that they can get on with their lives without worrying about what's going to happen tomorrow)
The Israeli government has done and continues to do horrible things
However, Hamas are not the good guys
You kind of need to accept that there are no good guys in this, just aggressors (the respective governments) and survivors (the Palestinian and Israeli people who are mostly sick of all this and just want peace so that they can get on with their lives without worrying about what's going to happen tomorrow)
Who really knows mate. Russia, Iran, Syria, Israel they’re all upto their necks in evil shenanigans.
One things for certain, just like after 9/11 our world has taken another dangerous turn. Ramifications from the Hammas massacres and Israel’s wrath of god type revenge will change and shape the world for the next decade.
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