Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[Deleted member 48881]

I had an interesting chat with an Israeli taxi driver a few years back when I was in Tel Aviv on business. He asked me where I was from and then went off on a rant about Muslims - calling them dogs who must be killed. He then stopped, paused and corrected himself and then said dogs can be trained and can be useful whilst the Muslim cannot and therefore as a wild animal must be hunted and killed.

I was shocked that

a/ A jew could talk openly about genocide

b/ How one race views another as sub-human animals.

I don’t hold out too many hopes for peace with those kind of views floating around.

Disgusting....

 

[Kurt.]

Imagine calling someone "braindead".

You don’t need to imagine it now do you ?

 

[neil999]

The problem with the 'DONT TRUST THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA' sites is they arguably have more of an agenda.

There is a reason ITV didn't report pizzagate.

Loads of stuff om twitter 'bet the bbc arent covering this' re the media building being bombed... And it's right there on the website, people don't even look...

 

[BigMick]

I agree with this. But, if the vast majority of Palestinians dont want to live under a Hamas regime -- why arent they doing something internally? If theyre being strongarmed then the only way to 'help' the Palestinians is to go in on the ground....unless theirs a revolution of sorts which doesnt seem likely.

I note that youve been skim reading this thread so to give you some insight, ive been insulted and pretty much called a racist for supporting the Israeli response.

Youre a "good person" to be anti-Israel apparently...in this thread.

Now, on the overall situation (in this particular case):

A: There is an Israeli group which owns land and have evidence to prove this.

B: There are Palesinians who 'claim' to own the same land -- with zero evidence.

The Palestinians have not been paying rent on the land in the (possible misconception or downright lie) belief that the land is theirs.

We then have sabre rattling from Hamas and Fatah before the elections to murder Jews. To garner more votes.

We also have rocks being thrown from a Mosque -- leading to police involvement.

Subsequently we then have 2000 rockets fired at civilians.

The 'focal point' of arguments against Israel here ive seen are-- Land Grab (in this particular case untrue imo), along with murdering children -- in which case what about the Israeli children and the fact that Israel isnt targeting children and theyre more likely being killed by Hamas rockets? Then the Mosque incident, again not caused by Israel.

Indeed a dead israeli childs funeral was fired upon with rockets by Hamas.

Im unsure why Israel is in the wrong here and somehow theyre being portrayed as the villains...

Without the iron dome, there would be many dead israeli's...women, children and Men.

Israel of course is also having internal politics with Netanyahu wanting to cement power over a group of rival party's. Hes showing he has the iron fist to hold them off and subsequently remain in power.

So far the only fly in the ointment i can see in my opinion are the internal 'riots' and 'protests' within Israel which seems to be two sided.



If Israel does all this then whats to stop:

A: The Palestinians attacking them again.

B: The Palestinians rejecting these proposals.

They first need to rise up against Hamas violence and for peace...or the Israeli's go in and do a clean up + gradually improve relations on the ground.

I dont think the Palestinians will go for either.

Regarding Hamas and why aren't Palestinians doing something internally. It's easier said than done.

There was brief but bloody civil war in 2007, lasted about a week, which saw Hamas seize control of Gaza from the Fatah controlled PA. Several PA employees were thrown from the roofs of buildings, others imprisoned and were only released a few weeks ago in an agreement made for the now cancelled elections.

Hamas have a much more powerful military wing than the PA, and they would be backed by their friends from Islamic Jihad. They would win any renewed conflict with the PA.

Internal protests in Gaza are ruthlessly crushed with beatings, arrests and torture. In 2019 hundreds of people took to the streets and suffered that treatment as a consequence, according to Amnesty International and Human Rights groups - some of their workers, as well as some journalists, met a similar fate. As the protests continued Hamas organised a counter march to celebrate the murder of an elderly Israeli couple killed by one of their missiles.

This is one reason why the now cancelled elections were so important. Contrary to some ill-informed reports, Hamas were never going to win that election - the PR system makes it virtually impossible for any party to win outright - but they would have been part of a unity coalition government. Every reputable opinion poll showed their support to be slumping - the last one had them down to 8%!! That was probably misleading but even with the splits in Fatah they weren't going to win - there was never going to be a 'Hamas government'.

Once Mahmoud Abbas cancelled the elections there was an immediate change in Hamas strategy with incitement to their supporters in the West Bank and within Israel to flock to Jerusalem, to try to incite a 3rd intifada in the West Bank, and to issue impossible demands and threats to Israel.

A few days later the first missiles were fired at Jerusalem.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Now gone

 

[Zatara]

I'm not sure how @Zatara or anyone with brains and a heart can justify Israel's attack on the Palestinian people as reasonable and measured. Netanyahu is a corrupted murderer that is creating all this commotion and killing so he can save himself from going to jail. It is a shame what has been happening to Palestinians for decades, they are prisoners in their own land

Israel arent launching an "attack on the Palestinian people".

If Israel wanted to do that then trust me Gaza would be flattened by Israeli weapons strikes.

They are retailiating against Hamas. Hamas base themselves in residential and commercial buildings surrounding themselves with civilians (the same way a criminal may hide behind a hostage).

Israel notifies in advance that they will be decimating a building -- allowing time for the general public (the Palestinian people you think theyre attacking) to leave first...

Yesterday they hit the 'metro' a vast network of tunnels like you may imagine from Mexico into USA or the Vietnamese had in the Vietnam War. Hamas used these tunnels initially for smuggling and then to sneak attack israelis and also to kidnap a soldier and hold him prisoner for a 5 years.


As for "attacking people" Hamas (and other groups including Islamic Jihad) have fired over 2000 rockets at Israeli non -military targets and killed civilians and children. 200+ of these rockets in fact exploded in Gaza itself and no doubt killed Palestinian civilians.

Yesterday there was a 5 year old boys funeral who had been killed by shrapnel from a hamas rocket -- his mother is still in hospital. Hamas also fired rockets at the funeral.

If there was no Iron Dome then i can guarantee you that these rocket strikes would have murdered thousands of Israelis...

Im no fan of Netanyahu but he has to do something to defend Israel against these terrorist strikes.

Hamas are commiting war crimes.

How is this a legitimate target ?

Hamas not only use residential buildings but also commercial. I imagine they have offices in that building under the guise of something else to monitor the foreign press or at least to hide in plain sight.

Good to see the warnings are continuing...very different to the Hamas attacks against civilians.

 

[Connor]

Sickening and disgraceful. And yet the world will bow to Israel as normal.

Apartheid state of war criminals.

Edit: And if you don't have Zat on ignore, you're doing GOT wrong

 

[Zatara]

Regarding Hamas and why aren't Palestinians doing something internally. It's easier said than done.

There was brief but bloody civil war in 2007, lasted about a week, which saw Hamas seize control of Gaza from the Fatah controlled PA. Several PA employees were thrown from the roofs of buildings, others imprisoned and were only released a few weeks ago in an agreement made for the now cancelled elections.

Hamas have a much more powerful military wing than the PA, and they would be backed by their friends from Islamic Jihad. They would win any renewed conflict with the PA.

Internal protests in Gaza are ruthlessly crushed with beatings, arrests and torture. In 2019 hundreds of people took to the streets and suffered that treatment as a consequence, according to Amnesty International and Human Rights groups - some of their workers, as well as some journalists, met a similar fate. As the protests continued Hamas organised a counter march to celebrate the murder of an elderly Israeli couple killed by one of their missiles.

This is one reason why the now cancelled elections were so important. Contrary to some ill-informed reports, Hamas were never going to win that election - the PR system makes it virtually impossible for any party to win outright - but they would have been part of a unity coalition government. Every reputable opinion poll showed their support to be slumping - the last one had them down to 8%!! That was probably misleading but even with the splits in Fatah they weren't going to win - there was never going to be a 'Hamas government'.

Once Mahmoud Abbas cancelled the elections there was an immediate change in Hamas strategy with incitement to their supporters in the West Bank and within Israel to flock to Jerusalem, to try to incite a 3rd intifada in the West Bank, and to issue impossible demands and threats to Israel.

A few days later the first missiles were fired at Jerusalem.

After the sabre rattling i imagine Hamas popularity will be extremely high now while in reality they are really the onee who seem to have orchestrated this entire situation.

Certainly no fools on knowing how to manipulate the palestinian people.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Israel arent launching an "attack on the Palestinian people".

Uh huh.

 

[LostLegend]

Now gone

Confirmed by the outlet

 

[coollino]

Israel arent launching an "attack on the Palestinian people".

If Israel wanted to do that then trust me Gaza would be flattened by Israeli weapons strikes.

They are retailiating against Hamas. Hamas base themselves in residential and commercial buildings surrounding themselves with civilians (the same way a criminal may hide behind a hostage).

Israel notifies in advance that they will be decimating a building -- allowing time for the general public (the Palestinian people you think theyre attacking) to leave first...

Yesterday they hit the 'metro' a vast network of tunnels like you may imagine from Mexico into USA or the Vietnamese had in the Vietnam War. Hamas used these tunnels initially for smuggling and then to sneak attack israelis and also to kidnap a soldier and hold him prisoner for a 5 years.


As for "attacking people" Hamas (and other groups including Islamic Jihad) have fired over 2000 rockets at Israeli non -military targets and killed civilians and children. 200+ of these rockets in fact exploded in Gaza itself and no doubt killed Palestinian civilians.

Yesterday there was a 5 year old boys funeral who had been killed by shrapnel from a hamas rocket -- his mother is still in hospital. Hamas also fired rockets at the funeral.

If there was no Iron Dome then i can guarantee you that these rocket strikes would have murdered thousands of Israelis...

Im no fan of Netanyahu but he has to do something to defend Israel against these terrorist strikes.

Hamas are commiting war crimes.




Hamas not only use residential buildings but also commercial. I imagine they have offices in that building under the guise of something else to monitor the foreign press or at least to hide in plain sight.

Good to see the warnings are continuing...very different to the Hamas attacks against civilians.

How can Hamas commit war crimes when you say they are terrorists?

 

[BigMick]

After the sabre rattling i imagine Hamas popularity will be extremely high now while in reality they are really the onee who seem to have orchestrated this entire situation.

Certainly no fools on knowing how to manipulate the palestinian people.

Sadly true. In fact a PA official said exactly that yesterday.

 

[tsubaki]

Confirmed by the outlet

well that is a war crime right there; the justification for levelling that building cannot match up with them giving an hour’s warning to the occupants

 

[Tipp blue]

Israel arent launching an "attack on the Palestinian people".

If Israel wanted to do that then trust me Gaza would be flattened by Israeli weapons strikes.

They are retailiating against Hamas. Hamas base themselves in residential and commercial buildings surrounding themselves with civilians (the same way a criminal may hide behind a hostage).

Israel notifies in advance that they will be decimating a building -- allowing time for the general public (the Palestinian people you think theyre attacking) to leave first...

Yesterday they hit the 'metro' a vast network of tunnels like you may imagine from Mexico into USA or the Vietnamese had in the Vietnam War. Hamas used these tunnels initially for smuggling and then to sneak attack israelis and also to kidnap a soldier and hold him prisoner for a 5 years.


As for "attacking people" Hamas (and other groups including Islamic Jihad) have fired over 2000 rockets at Israeli non -military targets and killed civilians and children. 200+ of these rockets in fact exploded in Gaza itself and no doubt killed Palestinian civilians.

Yesterday there was a 5 year old boys funeral who had been killed by shrapnel from a hamas rocket -- his mother is still in hospital. Hamas also fired rockets at the funeral.

If there was no Iron Dome then i can guarantee you that these rocket strikes would have murdered thousands of Israelis...

Im no fan of Netanyahu but he has to do something to defend Israel against these terrorist strikes.

Hamas are commiting war crimes.




Hamas not only use residential buildings but also commercial. I imagine they have offices in that building under the guise of something else to monitor the foreign press or at least to hide in plain sight.

Good to see the warnings are continuing...very different to the Hamas attacks against civilians.

I've often thought that too, you hear "attack on the people" and "genocide" being mentioned all the time, but if Isreal really wanted to they could turn the entire area into bead of glass within minutes.

 

[Zatara]

well that is a war crime right there; the justification for levelling that building cannot match up with them giving an hour’s warning to the occupants

Wtf...no.