Current Affairs Israel is an apartheid state

[coollino]

I swear you are one of the most brain dead people on this forum if that’s what you took from my post. That’s a pretty outstanding achievement on here.

Easily, I don't even think he understands what he is saying.

I enjoy hearing different points of view on things but his are just a weird stream of consciousness.

 

[mill]

Go against Israel = Support Hamas and Islamist Jihad groups.

Wrong.

 

[PSB1]

This seems to be a popular take in the past few days with the type of people who have Winston Churchill as their profile pic on social media.

It's a thoroughly hollow sentiment though, as anyone one with half a brain can see it for what it is. A popular trick amongst the shock-jocks and edgelords. Feign support for LGBT crowd as an excuse to have a go at the Muslims.
Same tactic as feigning support for vulnerable children by shouting about Muslim grooming gangs (but completely ignoring the white paedo rings)

So why would I, a gay man, show support for the Palestinians given their record of human rights abuses against the LGBT community, you may ask?
Well listen up, because this is very important.

The reason I don't think the Palestinian treatment of LGBT people justifies dropping bombs onto women and children is because....

...

...I'm not a complete and utter sociopath.

So let me just clarify this all for you and anyone else fond of edgy takes.

Criticising the actions of Israel does not make you an anti-Semite.
Supporting the people of Palestine does not mean you support Hamas.
Being outraged at the slaughter of women and children does not mean you are turning a blind eye to the plight of the LGBT community.

These things exist separate to one another - it's really not that difficult to comprehend is it?

I'm very lazy as well as quite old so I haven't really kept pace with modern terminology. What is "edgy", please? I'm guessing that an edgelord is someone who prides themselves on being this thing.

 

[Zatara]

I swear you are one of the most brain dead people on this forum if that’s what you took from my post. That’s a pretty outstanding achievement on here.

Imagine calling someone "braindead".

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Imagine calling someone "braindead".

It's easy if you try.

 

[mill]

It's easy if you try.

Hahahaha

 

[BigMick]

Well no, it isnt.

Its a typically racist accusation and argument.

"If you support Israel you hate Muslims".

Whilst...

"If you support Palestinians youre a good person".

All whilst totally ignoring the fact that the Israeli's are retailiating against Hamas and the other groups in Palestine and NOT firing missiles deliberately against civilians and NOT targeting children.

It is totally racist in nature and delusional.

"Im a good person"

Dearie me.

Zat,

I have no idea what else the poster has written on this thread - I only occasionally skim through it, usually in despair. Too much name calling and cheap points scoring while people are dying, suffering and frightened.

The part I thought was sensible was this:

Criticising the actions of Israel does not make you an anti-Semite.
Supporting the people of Palestine does not mean you support Hamas.
Being outraged at the slaughter of women and children does not mean you are turning a blind eye to the plight of the LGBT community.

All of which are true.

In that post I don't think he said your third line.

Your 6th line is correct.

To be clear:

I support Palestinian rights.
I believe the State of Israel has the right to exist.
I believe Israel has the right to defend itself.
Criticising the actions of Israel does not make you an antisemite - although sometimes it does.
Supporting the people of Palestine does not mean you support Hamas. The vast majority of Palestinians have no desire to live under a Hamas regime.
Being outraged at the slaughter of women and children does not mean you are turning a blind eye to the plight of the LGBT community. Or to any of the Gazans who find themselves beaten up or thrown in jail for opposing Hamas. Women and children are dying, both in Gaza and Israel.
Almost every missile Hamas launch is a war crime. Fired from densely populated area, aimed randomly at general population.
Thank god for the Iron Dome. 1000s would be dead without it.


I could go on, but I'd sooner stick to the other thread.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Israel has to neutralise Hamas and those groups in Palaestine who want to eradicate them.

They then need to find a political solution which is going to cost them land and resources.

Thats the only way forward imo...but no doubt the Palestinian leadership will reject proposals.

Well Israel is doing a pretty piss-poor job of winning hearts and minds.

All they’ve succeeded in doing is restocking Hamas ranks for the next 5 years with willing fighters.

Israel has to break this endless cycle of violence.

1. Provide the framework for a free independent Palestinian state free of Israeli settlers.

2. Provide financial assistance in kick starting this new Palestinian economy.

A free Palestine, with solid economic foundations, free trade, good healthcare and education means no more Hamas or other extremism and that means no more conflict.

Gaza isn’t a free state it’s a walled Prison camp controlled by Israel.

 

[Zatara]

Zat,

I have no idea what else the poster has written on this thread - I only occasionally skim through it, usually in despair. Too much name calling and cheap points scoring while people are dying, suffering and frightened.

The part I thought was sensible was this:

Criticising the actions of Israel does not make you an anti-Semite.
Supporting the people of Palestine does not mean you support Hamas.
Being outraged at the slaughter of women and children does not mean you are turning a blind eye to the plight of the LGBT community.

All of which are true.

In that post I don't think he said your third line.

Your 6th line is correct.

To be clear:

I support Palestinian rights.
I believe the State of Israel has the right to exist.
I believe Israel has the right to defend itself.
Criticising the actions of Israel does not make you an antisemite - although sometimes it does.
Supporting the people of Palestine does not mean you support Hamas. The vast majority of Palestinians have no desire to live under a Hamas regime.
Being outraged at the slaughter of women and children does not mean you are turning a blind eye to the plight of the LGBT community. Or to any of the Gazans who find themselves beaten up or thrown in jail for opposing Hamas. Women and children are dying, both in Gaza and Israel.
Almost every missile Hamas launch is a war crime. Fired from densely populated area, aimed randomly at general population.
Thank god for the Iron Dome. 1000s would be dead without it.


I could go on, but I'd sooner stick to the other thread.

I agree with this. But, if the vast majority of Palestinians dont want to live under a Hamas regime -- why arent they doing something internally? If theyre being strongarmed then the only way to 'help' the Palestinians is to go in on the ground....unless theirs a revolution of sorts which doesnt seem likely.

I note that youve been skim reading this thread so to give you some insight, ive been insulted and pretty much called a racist for supporting the Israeli response.

Youre a "good person" to be anti-Israel apparently...in this thread.

Now, on the overall situation (in this particular case):

A: There is an Israeli group which owns land and have evidence to prove this.

B: There are Palesinians who 'claim' to own the same land -- with zero evidence.

The Palestinians have not been paying rent on the land in the (possible misconception or downright lie) belief that the land is theirs.

We then have sabre rattling from Hamas and Fatah before the elections to murder Jews. To garner more votes.

We also have rocks being thrown from a Mosque -- leading to police involvement.

Subsequently we then have 2000 rockets fired at civilians.

The 'focal point' of arguments against Israel here ive seen are-- Land Grab (in this particular case untrue imo), along with murdering children -- in which case what about the Israeli children and the fact that Israel isnt targeting children and theyre more likely being killed by Hamas rockets? Then the Mosque incident, again not caused by Israel.

Indeed a dead israeli childs funeral was fired upon with rockets by Hamas.

Im unsure why Israel is in the wrong here and somehow theyre being portrayed as the villains...

Without the iron dome, there would be many dead israeli's...women, children and Men.

Israel of course is also having internal politics with Netanyahu wanting to cement power over a group of rival party's. Hes showing he has the iron fist to hold them off and subsequently remain in power.

So far the only fly in the ointment i can see in my opinion are the internal 'riots' and 'protests' within Israel which seems to be two sided.

Well Israel is doing a pretty piss-poor job of winning hearts and minds.

All they’ve succeeded in doing is restocking Hamas ranks for the next 5 years with willing fighters.

Israel has to break this endless cycle of violence.

1. Provide the framework for a free independent Palestinian state free of Israeli settlers.

2. Provide financial assistance in kick starting this new Palestinian economy.

A free Palestine, with solid economic foundations, free trade, good healthcare and education means no more Hamas or other extremism and that means no more conflict.

Gaza isn’t a free state it’s a walled Prison camp controlled by Israel.

If Israel does all this then whats to stop:

A: The Palestinians attacking them again.

B: The Palestinians rejecting these proposals.

They first need to rise up against Hamas violence and for peace...or the Israeli's go in and do a clean up + gradually improve relations on the ground.

I dont think the Palestinians will go for either.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

I honesty can’t see an end to this madness. It’s like a nightmarish roundabout that you can’t get off.

1. Smallish incident usually involving some holy site quickly escalates from stone throwing to live rounds being exchanged between Israelis and Palestinian Arabs.

2. Palestinian para-military organisations ie Hamas lob a few rockets into Israel from Gaza.

3. Israel responds with extreme force, effectively bombing the crap out of Gaza, destroying Hamas military infrastructure (tunnels, command structure, logistics and weapon caches).

4. Cease fire called by Hamas, talks take place and an uneasy truce comes into effect.

5. Hamas rebuilds tunnels, restocks arsenals and replaces commanders.

6. sometime later a small incident at a holy site quickly escalates and we go again.

It’s a never ending nightmare

Meanwhile, many Palestinians face a daily battle to survive under the blockade.
imagine living in a situation where you are constantly oppressed by your coloniser

 

[Blue 1]

The trouble is, to even begin to get an decent understanding of this conflict requires reading 100 years of history, and reading both Israeli and Palestinian sources.

You won't get that from reading current media reports, which are, for obvious reasons, ahistorical, every time serious violence flares up.

 

[Tramps_mate]

You've written;

"Excuse to have a go at the muslims"

Whilst then proceeding to claim "Criticising the actions of Israel does not make you an anti-Semite"


What bewildering double standards.

The disturbing thing is that people actually buy into this propaganda.

As thats what it is, propaganda.


Supporting the people of Palestine does not mean you support Hamas.


Again, theyre the protaganist of violence in the Palestine/Israel conflict in this current situation.

Go against Israel = Support Hamas and Islamist Jihad groups.

Both of which anyone can see want to wipe Jews off the map.

Its a shame people arent focusing on who the Israeli's are targeting rather than the Palestinian propaganda machines driven by terror groups.

You really need to educate yourself.

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

Jesus, that is heavy

 

[cronullasharks]

I remember reading this a few years back.
Amongst the dark humour, there were some pretty horrific tales in there on what the Palestinians have to put up with on a daily basis.

The story of how the Israelis built an artillery firing range on one side of a settlement and placed the guns on the other side so the residents had to live with live shells whistling over their heads is one that will stay with me.

I downloaded this book from your recommendation a few months back, was a good read and an eye opener for someone like myself that doesn't know much beyond the basics of the whole situation.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Meanwhile, many Palestinians face a daily battle to survive under the blockade.
imagine living in a situation where you are constantly oppressed by your coloniser

Yup it’s a glorified prison camp