Is this David Moyes' last season?

[Allezfan]

do you think everton would have remained a premiership club the last ten years with any other manager and the lack of money he,s had to spend?

Yes.

Next question?

 

[Moomin]

Steve Round with Phil Neville as his assistant.

Dream team for next year.

Stubbs will be CEO.

 

[Guest89]

Not all trophies are equal sure. But other managers have won more with worse teams.

In the premiership in the last 10 years? The FA cup has been dominated by the big spending clubs, the one freak year that didn't happen, the club that did win it under performed in the league and could conceivably not exist this time next year because of the debts that team racked up.

 

[Ihaters]

Not many teams have grown like ours has under Moyes, and to do it under the restrictions he has had is remarkable.
The man is quality and has more than made his wages back on transfers and prize money we wouldn't of had without him.

 

[sheeds]

do you think everton would have remained a premiership club the last ten years with any other manager and the lack of money he,s had to spend?

Not being anti-motes and I think he's done a very good job , I think the squad (which to his absolute credit he's assembled ) is probably been where it should have been over the last few years I don't think it's over-achieved although I think the squad he's assembled is of absolute credit to him , if that makes sense ?

I'm somebody that has no desire for moyes to leave but my only point (which hadn't been raised on here that I can see to any major degree ) is that I disagree with those who suggest without moyes relegation is a certainty . I just don't see that , whether we'd do worse is a much more likely possibility but like in many arguments I think I'm somewhere in the middle .

 

[bluebottle]

Not being anti-motes and I think he's done a very good job , I think the squad (which to his absolute credit he's assembled ) is probably been where it should have been over the last few years I don't think it's over-achieved although I think the squad he's assembled is of absolute credit to him , if that makes sense ?

I'm somebody that has no desire for moyes to leave but my only point (which hadn't been raised on here that I can see to any major degree ) is that I disagree with those who suggest without moyes relegation is a certainty . I just don't see that , whether we'd do worse is a much more likely possibility but like in many arguments I think I'm somewhere in the middle .

He deserves recognition for his ability to pick players, but because these are good players they are merely finding their level? would probably explain the poorer performances in the cups.

 

[Ihaters]

Not being anti-motes and I think he's done a very good job , I think the squad (which to his absolute credit he's assembled ) is probably been where it should have been over the last few years I don't think it's over-achieved although I think the squad he's assembled is of absolute credit to him , if that makes sense ?

I'm somebody that has no desire for moyes to leave but my only point (which hadn't been raised on here that I can see to any major degree ) is that I disagree with those who suggest without moyes relegation is a certainty . I just don't see that , whether we'd do worse is a much more likely possibility but like in many arguments I think I'm somewhere in the middle .

I think it's more the fact that when Moyes took over we were constantly in relegation dogfights and I know certainly I thought it was a matter of time, there were only so many last minute survivals we could hope to get away with..
Now he's made a quality unit and that is a distant memory but there are few that could of turned us around so completely, and a massive amount that would of taken us down at the time..
I doubt even Tony Adams would take us down for a couple of years with our current team.

 

[Ihaters]

Not all trophies are equal sure. But other managers have won more with worse teams.

We don't want worse teams, we want a better team. Moyes has given us that.

 

[bluebottle]

I think it's more the fact that when Moyes took over we were constantly in relegation dogfights and I know certainly I thought it was a matter of time, there were only so many last minute survivals we could hope to get away with..
Now he's made a quality unit and that is a distant memory but there are few that could of turned us around so completely, and a massive amount that would of taken us down at the time..
I doubt even Tony Adams would take us down for a couple of years with our current team.

I reckon Mcleish would get us pretty close.

 

[Ihaters]

I reckon Mcleish would get us pretty close.

Argh there's a thought, I think even Artetafan may prefer Moyes over him, even if he does like Bill, gets well paid for his ability and hasn't won a trophy... Moyes that is not Artetafan.

 

[BirkenheadBlue]

Not being anti-motes and I think he's done a very good job , I think the squad (which to his absolute credit he's assembled ) is probably been where it should have been over the last few years I don't think it's over-achieved although I think the squad he's assembled is of absolute credit to him , if that makes sense ?

I'm somebody that has no desire for moyes to leave but my only point (which hadn't been raised on here that I can see to any major degree ) is that I disagree with those who suggest without moyes relegation is a certainty . I just don't see that , whether we'd do worse is a much more likely possibility but like in many arguments I think I'm somewhere in the middle .

The overperformance thing is interesting.

As a SQUAD, we've probably performed about right (except the year we finished 4th, when we should have been nowhere NEAR there). But as a Club (and I don't mean historically, i mean as the club is now - board, finances etc) we've pretty much massively over-achieved year in year out.

Moyes himself has overachieved. Not many could have assembled the squad that he has, under the conditions he's had to do it. He's basically assembled a top 6,7,8 squad on the budget of a bottom 5 one.

 

[Allezfan]

Argh there's a thought, I think even Artetafan may prefer Moyes over him, even if he does like Bill, gets well paid for his ability and hasn't won a trophy... Moyes that is not Artetafan.

The thing is Moyes is better then most mangers at midtable english clubs. He's a very good manager.

But he's not on a very good wage, he's on an elite wage and as such he has to be compared with the elite. Thats Hiddink, ancelotti, capello, mourinho, guardiola, ferguson, wenger, del bosque, van gaal, heynckes etc. The kind of managers who are on comparable wages. And he comes out badly badly wanting.

 

[Username]

The thing is Moyes is better then most mangers at midtable english clubs. He's a very good manager.

But he's not on a very good wage, he's on an elite wage and as such he has to be compared with the elite. Thats Hiddink, ancelotti, capello, mourinho, guardiola, ferguson, wenger, del bosque, van gaal, heynckes etc. The kind of managers who are on comparable wages. And he comes out badly badly wanting.

Dya reckon if Moyes had elite money to spend on transfers he would be up there with those types?

 

[Ihaters]

The thing is Moyes is better then most mangers at midtable english clubs. He's a very good manager.

But he's not on a very good wage, he's on an elite wage and as such he has to be compared with the elite. Thats Hiddink, ancelotti, capello, mourinho, guardiola, ferguson, wenger, del bosque, van gaal, heynckes etc. The kind of managers who are on comparable wages. And he comes out badly badly wanting.

Does he? How would Wenger of done if he couldn't afford big wages and didn't start out with a world class team, but instead had to generate his own transfer funds from a squad near relegation?
They are on comparable wages but not comparable situations.
Poor squad, no money, players leaving, low wage caps and Moyes gets us to finals, semis, top 4, several european years whilst all around spend, spend, spend, he is still selling. I know you don't want to see it but the job he is doing is actually far more impressive than you will ever admit. If he went that extra 80 minutes with the injury ravaged team he had against Mourhino's 200mil team and won the FA cup that time, would you be liking him now?

 

[Baines' left foot]

I hope not. He's currently in the process of building a new team and I'd like to see him see it through.

He's on a high wage considering his achievements and the position of our club but he's operated on a meager budget for a decade now and he's done very well to build a team of such quality.