Oh there is.
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Oh there is.
Jags..class
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But what am I, or others saying that is delusional? You might not agree, but it's not delusional. We finished 6th under Moyes, if Martinez is a better manager, we will finish higher. That it just a logical statement. The fact people feel it's delusional says more about the Martinez love in than anything else.
Jags..class
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So you expect a new manager to beat Moyes league position after being here 11 years building a team, right mate.
toffee matt
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I'm not saying moyes is perfect, he wasn't, he was anything but perfect. I'm just saying their are a small number of people (not you) that are making out Martinez is some sort of demi-god.
If it's not possible to finish 4th, why hammer Moyes for it? It is possible, we very nearly did it last season, if we pick up 3/4 more points next season we can do it.
As for "league manager" this is basically a made up statement. There is no such thing as "league" or "cup" managers. There are good managers, and poor managers. Managers try to win games of football. They are judged on games they win. That is what Moyes, Martinez, Fergusan, Bruce, or anybody else will be judged on. How many games they win.
I am in favour of winning games, cups, attacking football. But that will not run contrary to poor league form. it's not one or the other, we should want both. If you build a good team, you are more likely to finish higher in the league, and win trophies.
How many years did it take Moyes to beat Walter Smiths position? But yes, I expect my manager to improve on his predecessaur. I would expect Kone to improve on Jelavic. If he isn't an improvement, why employ him? Go and find someone else who can improve us. It's not a hard concept. Are your expectations so low, that you think it will take 11 years to finish above 6th? Is that how you are going to judge Martinez?
Jags..class
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I'm not hammering Moyes for not getting us 4th mate but those three points might have been won if he was a bit more attacking mate or picking his mates such as Neville in games when most of knew he was way past it. Moyes had time and no pressure from the fans and the board, Martinez should get the same. Moyes always said League games are the most important, his words mate, the same goes for Fergie who was a top class league manager.
Jags..class
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I will judge Martinez after 2 seasons to see where we are, not in 6 months time. He got attributes in a manager I want at Everton, Kone will be an improvement on Jelavic mate.
Fairly sure that's extinct mate.
Steve Wigan
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Try not to take it so seriously, or so personally...its only football ! I was never Moyes biggest fan, since the day he signed, because I didn't think he was the man to take us to the top level, but he steadied the ship and stayed ten years or so, which is an acheivement of sorts. He certainly will not be able to manage Man Utd by the same method he managed Everton, and I suspect that his negative mindset will be his undoing. Thats just my opinion.
Concerning Martinez, he is bring fresh ideas, and these were needed, and I'm sure that he's well aware of the pitfalls...he has to get players to accept what he is trying to do, and has to ensure that Everton have players who are able to technically play within his system. This is going to make for an interesting season, and it is quite possible that he will finish with fewer points than the dullard Moyes might have acheived, but this does not mean that he is an abject failure. Eventually he will have a team that is HIS team(if you remember, it was a milestone when Moyes was finally able to play an eleven that were all his signings), and only then can he be judged. We gave Moyes 10 seasons....why are people suggesting that Martinez will be judged after only one?
And incidentally, with regard to Neville Southall, who for at least three years was the best goalkeeper in the world. Almost everything he has said about Everton since his retirement has been said with a great big foot in his mouth, his all time classic being 'It would do Everton good to be relegated'. The very best goalkeeper, and a great Evertonian, but not one for saying the right thing.
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Sideliner
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catcherintherye if you say you expect your new manager to do better than his predecessor - surely you expect Red Moyes to do better than Sir Alex did last season then -
don't forget Moyes finished 17th in his second season and 8th twice out of the last 4 seasons - so maybe 8th will be a great achievement for a new coach playing with an old squad -
especially if Moyes tries to peck Everton's eyes out by poaching Baines and Fellaini in the last week of the transfer window
don't forget Moyes finished 17th in his second season and 8th twice out of the last 4 seasons - so maybe 8th will be a great achievement for a new coach playing with an old squad -
especially if Moyes tries to peck Everton's eyes out by poaching Baines and Fellaini in the last week of the transfer window
I'm not a Manchester United fan mate, but I couldn't care less how Moyes does at United. I imagine if he slipped 2/3 places he'd be sacked though. That's what big clubs do, they don't accept failure. We used to be like that once.
Which is largely fair. I hope Kone will too. And I think he has all the attributes too, and like I put in my first post, I am impressed with Martinez. I hope he continues to give younger players a game. From What I've seen of Grant, he's already a similar level to that of Neville. It's a results business in the end though.
Royal Blue Jersey
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We also used to pride ourselves on being the School of Science and - for want of a cheesier cliche - its doors are being re-opened. Don't you think Martinez deserves some support for that? This is an intelligent man with an admirable commitment to good football.
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