And the EU wants to leave things the way they are. The U.K. wants change. Rather, England and Wales want change so NI and the RoI have to bend over backwards to accommodate them.
Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit
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The referendum was voted by 6-1 by UK Mps in the format it was taken - its a democratic decision for all UK countries
The EU are in negotiations they can help to sort out the mess they have been intrangent so far.....
I want a frictionless trade but to be able to trade world wide and control our laws and borders ....
IMO a deal will be done as it suits both sides!
Foot Long Hot Dog
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The Isle of Man has knack all to do with it, you don’t even seem to understand that it has free trade with the EU and U.K. due to protocol 3, which formed part of our original agreement to join the EEC back in ‘73, and when we leave that protocol goes with it, so they’ll face controlling their points of entry as well. So you posting about it as if it has some form of relevance to this discussion is a total red herring.
The EU aren’t causing the Irish border issue ffs, we chose to leave, and if we leave without a deal and on WTO terms then we’ll have to protect our borders or face sanction from the WTO. This is very much a U.K. issue and Brexiteers trying to shift blame to the EU are solving nothing and are, as per, being completely disingenuous.
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Yawn.....same retric IOM can be outside the EU part of the UK the last time I looked ......... so it is doable.......
Foot Long Hot Dog
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It has access to the single market via our membership it loses it when we leave.
Pesky facts again not rhetoric, as opposed to your inaccurate and ill informed nonsense
Joe, you could have written Theresa May’s speech in Belfast this morning when she told the EU to change their stance on the border.
The Tories know they didn’t give Ireland a second thought and due to Westminster’s signature on the GFA they are caught in a legal and constitutional minefield of their own making.
Boris’ talk of the Irish border being being akin to crossing London is just sheer ignorance. His calls for technological monitoring of the border really makes you wonder if he has any knowledge of the symbolism of this never mind the physical response that it may encourage.
Similarly Joe, the Isle of Man? Really? Not a valid legal or historical comparison but to be honest mate, it does highlight the lack of understanding regarding the political complexities of Ireland. We may only be a couple of hundred miles on from the Isle of Man but we are a million miles away in our ideology.
Tories know they cant solve the border now and are playing the blame game. It is never their fault.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Barnier knows he can no longer play this card and semi eluded to it earlier today. Arranging discussions next week specifically to address the issues of the border show that he knows they have to be more creative and treat the U.K. as a whole, one way or the other. Next Friday may throw some more light on this........
Again Pete you are portraying Ireland as a negotiating pawn and nothing beyond that.
You sustain the ideology that we are just a chip in British/European barter and that we are being used as a bargaining tool.
You confuse Ireland speaking for itself as being a puppet for answers you don’t want to hear.
Westminster has lost control of this Pete.
NilSatisOptimum
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As it's stands Northern Ireland leaves the UK, reunification or an independent member state of EU and what's left of the UK can leave EU with no deal. Not that I'm advocating the scenarios as it's upto Northern Ireland to decide its fate. Just seems the final solution the hard Brexiteers are happily heading towards, is the break up of the UK. And point of principle May states every time she can, no UK PM will preside over the break up of the UK!
Foot Long Hot Dog
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Ireland is being used as a political football between the extreme Brexiteers lead by Mogg and May, they’re playing a game of Parliamentary chess with it ffs.
May reiterates yesterday that there’ll be no hard border and the technology for some form of fluid border doesn’t exist yet! So that effectively rules out a no deal Brexit, as under WTO rules we’d have to protect our border from day 1.
This follows on from Mogg getting his amendment through that blocks any idea of a border in the Irish Sea between NI and the mainland which effectively blocks any idea of NI being left in the CU and SM and thus being separate from the rest of the U.K.
So where does that leave it? Unless there’s some alternative form of CU or Mays ‘common rulebook’ SM alternative then Brexit reaches complete impasse.
May reiterates yesterday that there’ll be no hard border and the technology for some form of fluid border doesn’t exist yet! So that effectively rules out a no deal Brexit, as under WTO rules we’d have to protect our border from day 1.
This follows on from Mogg getting his amendment through that blocks any idea of a border in the Irish Sea between NI and the mainland which effectively blocks any idea of NI being left in the CU and SM and thus being separate from the rest of the U.K.
So where does that leave it? Unless there’s some alternative form of CU or Mays ‘common rulebook’ SM alternative then Brexit reaches complete impasse.
All sane persons think it hit that about 18 months ago
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
You mean like Varadkar suggesting that the U.K. will not be allowed to use Irish airspace. If that is Ireland speaking for itself then they really could do with keeping quiet, and I expect Barnier has told Varadkar to shut up until he receives further instructions.
The ROI have made their position plain, there is no more for them to do, Brussels and Westminster will now determine how this is resolved, either amicably or not. Either way the ROI role is to accept what is agreed or suffer a massive hit to its GDP and the loss of tens of thousands of jobs through a no deal scenario. Varadkar is out of his depth here. If his only wish is an open border then he knows that this is exactly what the U.K. wants as well, it is now written into its law. His constant sniping and stupid comments therefore have more to do with his ego or he is trying to show his masters in Brussels what a good European he is. Obviously the ROI population love him for baiting the U.K. but we’ll see how much he is loved if this helps to lead to a no deal position. A position I might add that the U.K. is actually warming up to.....
Pete, again you have portrayed Ireland as just an EU puppet “awaiting further instructions”.
As EU members, it is only natural that we will have the support and co-operation of the other member states in protecting our mutual interests.
As I said, Westminster has lost control of this and is thrashing around trying to pin the blame on everyone and anyone.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
The ROI interests are remaining in the EU and having good trade relations with the U.K. as well as open access to NI. The clever way to achieve this is to be the best friend to both the EU and the U.K., and maybe even play the intermediary. Varadkar has, unwisely in my opinion, chosen to be a mouthpiece for the EU (of which he is already a member) and tried to play the ‘we’re bigger than you’ role against the U.K.. His outpourings suggest that he wants to play on the big stage so he’s setting himself up for his next role in Brussels. That’s fine for him and his career, but will do nothing but aggravate relations with the U.K., who he thinks he can now poke fun at. Again, short term, this may play well with the locals, but it will eventually bite you on the arse once the U.K. is out of the EU. This has nothing to do with pinning blame on anyone, this is about who your friends are.....
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