Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[Joey66]

hey man, not complaining about the English vote. I'm just concerned about the border because that's where I'm from and thats where my family live. I don't believe the process was thought out at all before the vote was called. That, in my book, is putting the cart before the horse.

The EU have been adamant in raising the problem of the border when they fully left the type of trade talks last on the agenda first they went for a huge pay off - if any hard border is installed in Ireland the EU will implement it - they have not just put the cart before the horse the have been stirring the muckpile which was avoidable if a frictionless trade deal could have been decided first - I also blame the UK negotiations team for letting them dictate these terms - goalpost seem to move weekly!

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

The EU have been adamant in raising the problem of the border when they fully left the type of trade talks last on the agenda first they went for a huge pay off - if any hard border is installed in Ireland the EU will implement it - they have not just put the cart before the horse the have been stirring the muckpile which was avoidable if a frictionless trade deal could have been decided first - I also blame the UK negotiations team for letting them dictate these terms - goalpost seem to move weekly!

and why not ? the uk is trying to sweep it under the carpet.

 

[Neiler]

The EU have been adamant in raising the problem of the border when they fully left the type of trade talks last on the agenda first they went for a huge pay off - if any hard border is installed in Ireland the EU will implement it - they have not just put the cart before the horse the have been stirring the muckpile which was avoidable if a frictionless trade deal could have been decided first - I also blame the UK negotiations team for letting them dictate these terms - goalpost seem to move weekly!

I think the difficulty is mate that the UK and Europe have very different perceptions and priorities of what is the cart and what is the horse.

 

[Joey66]

I think the difficulty is mate that the UK and Europe have very different perceptions and priorities of what is the cart and what is the horse.

Quite right any spanner the EU can use to stop Brexit they will lose out when we leave!

 

[Joey66]

and why not ? the uk is trying to sweep it under the carpet.

Difference in sweeping it under the carpet, to stirring the muck only in EU meddling on Brexit issues as I stated trade frictionless should have been on the table both pRties should have decided that it seems to be the UK has to do as it's told by unelected EU commissioners

 

[Neiler]

Quite right any spanner the EU can use to stop Brexit they will lose out when we leave!

Its just a matter of different agenda mate and negotiation positions, the critical thing for the Uk is a trade deal, its not so critical for Europe with other issues affecting member states like NI.

Its a bit sad that NI isnt a priority for the UK really.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Quite right any spanner the EU can use to stop Brexit they will lose out when we leave!

the biggest loser will be the uk

 

[peteblue]

the biggest loser will be the uk

So we keep getting told.....but hey ho, we’ll sort it out, we always do......

 

[electricblue]

Tarzan and his gang were over today showing up May's contradictions again:

DUP deal preventing May from making courageous decisions, Clegg says

British Prime Minister Theresa May's "marriage of convenience" with the DUP is preventing her from taking courageous decisions on the long-term future of the UK post-Brexit, Nick Clegg has said.

The former Lib Dem leader said Mrs May's reliance on DUP votes was harming the UK national interest when it came to the Brexit negotiations.

The high-profile Remain advocate expressed concern about the impact of the confidence and supply deal as he met politicians in Dublin.

He said Mrs May was hamstrung from taking "wise" decisions on how to avoid a hard border.

"It complicates things enormously," he said of the pact. "It significantly restricts her ability to act more courageously on this crucial issue of the border issue.

"It has further hemmed in the ability of the British government to act wisely and courageously for the long-term future of the United Kingdom and also all these issues that affect the island of Ireland.

"It would seem in this great and historical moment, when so many things are at stake, pretty peculiar that a here-today-gone-tomorrow marriage of convenience between the DUP and Conservatives - because the Conservatives triggered and failed to win a general election - should be the thing upon which all these great decisions hinge.

"At some point, Theresa May is going to have to take big decisions for the long-term future of the country, not just for the long-term future of this cobbled together majority she has assembled in parliament."

Mr Clegg was in Dublin with fellow Remainers Michael Heseltine and Andrew Adonis to discuss Brexit issues.

However, Mr Heseltine said he did not think the confidence and supply deal was affecting the Brexit negotiations.

"I don't think it is because I think that within the Conservative Party there is obviously a divide of opinion but a significant part of that divide would identify itself with the views of the DUP," he said.

"So even without the DUP, the same issues would be of crucial importance for Mrs May and the judgment she reaches."

Mr Adonis accused the DUP of doing a "very poor job" of representing the people of Northern Ireland, given it advocates Brexit but a majority in the region voted Remain.

"They are saying different things to different people," he claimed.

"They are saying to the Conservative Party in London that they are in favour of Brexit but they are saying to their constituents in Northern Ireland that they are against a (hard) border - well they can't have both of those things."

 

[ToffeeTim]

Tarzan and his gang were over today showing up May's contradictions again:

DUP deal preventing May from making courageous decisions, Clegg says

British Prime Minister Theresa May's "marriage of convenience" with the DUP is preventing her from taking courageous decisions on the long-term future of the UK post-Brexit, Nick Clegg has said.

The former Lib Dem leader said Mrs May's reliance on DUP votes was harming the UK national interest when it came to the Brexit negotiations.

The high-profile Remain advocate expressed concern about the impact of the confidence and supply deal as he met politicians in Dublin.

He said Mrs May was hamstrung from taking "wise" decisions on how to avoid a hard border.

"It complicates things enormously," he said of the pact. "It significantly restricts her ability to act more courageously on this crucial issue of the border issue.

"It has further hemmed in the ability of the British government to act wisely and courageously for the long-term future of the United Kingdom and also all these issues that affect the island of Ireland.

"It would seem in this great and historical moment, when so many things are at stake, pretty peculiar that a here-today-gone-tomorrow marriage of convenience between the DUP and Conservatives - because the Conservatives triggered and failed to win a general election - should be the thing upon which all these great decisions hinge.

"At some point, Theresa May is going to have to take big decisions for the long-term future of the country, not just for the long-term future of this cobbled together majority she has assembled in parliament."

Mr Clegg was in Dublin with fellow Remainers Michael Heseltine and Andrew Adonis to discuss Brexit issues.

However, Mr Heseltine said he did not think the confidence and supply deal was affecting the Brexit negotiations.

"I don't think it is because I think that within the Conservative Party there is obviously a divide of opinion but a significant part of that divide would identify itself with the views of the DUP," he said.

"So even without the DUP, the same issues would be of crucial importance for Mrs May and the judgment she reaches."

Mr Adonis accused the DUP of doing a "very poor job" of representing the people of Northern Ireland, given it advocates Brexit but a majority in the region voted Remain.

"They are saying different things to different people," he claimed.

"They are saying to the Conservative Party in London that they are in favour of Brexit but they are saying to their constituents in Northern Ireland that they are against a (hard) border - well they can't have both of those things."

Well that's just rubbish. Teresa May is indecisive, weak, incompetent, not far off a lame duck amd it's nothing to do with the DUP tbh.

 

[peteblue]

It’ll all work out, trust me.....

 

[hullefc]

Northern Ireland will not be leaving the customs union and/or the single market, the free movement of people and capital and the ECJ jurisdiction but will have special status as explained in the EU/UK document the other day. Whether the UK decides to put a border on the island of Ireland to check the movement of people and goods under WTO conditions, is up to May.

 

[hullefc]

The EU have been adamant in raising the problem of the border when they fully left the type of trade talks last on the agenda first they went for a huge pay off - if any hard border is installed in Ireland the EU will implement it - they have not just put the cart before the horse the have been stirring the muckpile which was avoidable if a frictionless trade deal could have been decided first - I also blame the UK negotiations team for letting them dictate these terms - goalpost seem to move weekly!

How does the UK control EU immigration into the UK without putting border checks on the island of Ireland?

How does the UK impose WTO tariffs, if there is no deal, as threatened by Rees Mogg et al, without putting border checks on the island of Ireland?

May has moved the goalposts from 'there will be a hard border on the island of Ireland if the UK votes to leave' - 2016 to there will not be a border -December 2017. To reneging on that and saying there will be a border to now agreeing the fallback of Northern Ireland staying in the customs union and the single market, no border.

No wonder cranks like Rees Mogg and Farage are pleading with the Irish to leave the EU, as their interpretation of leaving is falling apart at the seams and May keeps scoring own goals. No wonder seeing that she keeps moving them goalposts.

 

[Joey66]

Well that's just rubbish. Teresa May is indecisive, weak, incompetent, not far off a lame duck amd it's nothing to do with the DUP tbh.

Tarzan who owns acres of land probably gains from an EU grant!

 

[tsubaki]

How does the UK control EU immigration into the UK without putting border checks on the island of Ireland?

How does the UK impose WTO tariffs, if there is no deal, as threatened by Rees Mogg et al, without putting border checks on the island of Ireland?

May has moved the goalposts from 'there will be a hard border on the island of Ireland if the UK votes to leave' - 2016 to there will not be a border -December 2017. To reneging on that and saying there will be a border to now agreeing the fallback of Northern Ireland staying in the customs union and the single market, no border.

No wonder cranks like Rees Mogg and Farage are pleading with the Irish to leave the EU, as their interpretation of leaving is falling apart at the seams and May keeps scoring own goals. No wonder seeing that she keeps moving them goalposts.

This is the absurdity of the position she has put herself in, that she wants to keep the Common Travel Area whilst also having a border - which is impossible.

It says everything about how competent she is that clowns like Rees-Mogg and Farage can come up with a more coherent policy than she can whilst they are trolling.