Oh I know it will. I've no doubts it will. It will just need a change of PM first.
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Oh I know it will. I've no doubts it will. It will just need a change of PM first.
Tim, not wumming, straight up question.
I know you dont want any separation between NI and the rest of the UK but if the deal, at the end of the day, had NI remaining part of the UK but still in the EEA common market, how would you feel about it?
Personally not too bothered. As long as it's nothing too onerous when I go to and from England, especially for work. A simple passport check I can live with but it should be very brief and easy not off putting for trade.
The clock is ticking for May's dream of an invisible border like it is now has to become reality.
Brexit
EU approval of Brexit blueprint comes with Irish border warning
Leaders agree vision for future trade deal but say UK must provide solution for Ireland
Daniel Boffey and Jennifer Rankin in Brussels
Fri 23 Mar 2018 11.05 GMTLast modified on Fri 23 Mar 2018 11.26 GMT
The EU wants a backstop solution that would keep Northern Ireland in regulatory alignment with the EU if no soft border solutions are found. Photograph: Brian Lawless/PA
EU agreement on the terms of a transition period and its vision of a “wide-ranging and ambitious” free trade deal with the UK has come with a warning that nothing will be sealed until Downing Street provides a solution for avoiding a hard border on the island of Ireland.
The leaders of 27 member states endorsed a seven-page blueprint for a future deal with the UK at a summit in Brussels on Friday morning. It includes zero tariffs on goods, reciprocal access to fishing waters and cooperation in defence and foreign affairs.
Progress on a draft withdrawal agreement unveiled earlier in the week was also welcomed by the 27. The 129-page document contains both the terms of the transition period and Brussels’ proposed solution to the issue of the Irish border, which is being contested by the UK because it would effectively keep Northern Ireland in the customs union and single market.
However, the 27 insisted in their guidelines on the future trade deal that negotiations could only progress once the UK provides a legally watertight alternative to its “backstop” solution of keeping Northern Ireland in regulatory alignment with the EU.
That default status for the country would come into effect should a future trade deal or bespoke technological solution not emerge that can do the work of avoiding a hard border with the Irish Republic.
The Irish prime minister, Leo Varadkar, said the deadline for having a “done and dusted” agreement was October, although Dublin was pressing for answers from London on how it would avoid a hard border by the next European council summit in June.
Varadkar claimed the UK had made a significant move in the last week by accepting the premise of a backstop option.
It had initially rejected it “out of hand”, he said, but had now said it would “engage on the text of the backstop that the EU has put forward”.
Varadkar added: “It’s not a case of when they’re winning we’re losing, and when we’re winning they’re losing.”
As she left the leaders’ summit in Brussels, Theresa May said she believed there was a “new dynamic” to the negotiations, and reiterated her commitment to offer answers on the Irish border.
”I welcome the fact that the EU council has agreed the details of the implementation period,” she said. “This gives certainty to people and businesses, it gives them the clarity to plan for their future and it ensures that they will only have to make one change when we enter into our future relationship.
“I believe there is a new dynamic now in the negotiations. We are approaching this with a spirit of cooperation and a spirit of opportunity for the future. We will now be sitting down and determining those workable solutions for Northern Ireland, but also for our future security partnership and economic partnership.”
Negotiators on both sides believe a trade deal can be drawn up during the 21-month transition period that will come into force after 29 March 2019.
However, Philippe Lamberts, a Belgian MEP who co-leads the Green group, voiced scepticism shared by some European diplomats in private. “Who can believe that within 21 months you can complete and then ratify a full association agreement,” he told the Guardian. “That is impossible.”
Lamberts said he expected the EU to make provision in the withdrawal agreement to extend the transition, but “they want to extract a price for that concession”.
Brexit
EU approval of Brexit blueprint comes with Irish border warning
Leaders agree vision for future trade deal but say UK must provide solution for Ireland
Daniel Boffey and Jennifer Rankin in Brussels
Fri 23 Mar 2018 11.05 GMTLast modified on Fri 23 Mar 2018 11.26 GMT
The EU wants a backstop solution that would keep Northern Ireland in regulatory alignment with the EU if no soft border solutions are found. Photograph: Brian Lawless/PA
EU agreement on the terms of a transition period and its vision of a “wide-ranging and ambitious” free trade deal with the UK has come with a warning that nothing will be sealed until Downing Street provides a solution for avoiding a hard border on the island of Ireland.
The leaders of 27 member states endorsed a seven-page blueprint for a future deal with the UK at a summit in Brussels on Friday morning. It includes zero tariffs on goods, reciprocal access to fishing waters and cooperation in defence and foreign affairs.
Progress on a draft withdrawal agreement unveiled earlier in the week was also welcomed by the 27. The 129-page document contains both the terms of the transition period and Brussels’ proposed solution to the issue of the Irish border, which is being contested by the UK because it would effectively keep Northern Ireland in the customs union and single market.
However, the 27 insisted in their guidelines on the future trade deal that negotiations could only progress once the UK provides a legally watertight alternative to its “backstop” solution of keeping Northern Ireland in regulatory alignment with the EU.
That default status for the country would come into effect should a future trade deal or bespoke technological solution not emerge that can do the work of avoiding a hard border with the Irish Republic.
The Irish prime minister, Leo Varadkar, said the deadline for having a “done and dusted” agreement was October, although Dublin was pressing for answers from London on how it would avoid a hard border by the next European council summit in June.
Varadkar claimed the UK had made a significant move in the last week by accepting the premise of a backstop option.
It had initially rejected it “out of hand”, he said, but had now said it would “engage on the text of the backstop that the EU has put forward”.
Varadkar added: “It’s not a case of when they’re winning we’re losing, and when we’re winning they’re losing.”
As she left the leaders’ summit in Brussels, Theresa May said she believed there was a “new dynamic” to the negotiations, and reiterated her commitment to offer answers on the Irish border.
”I welcome the fact that the EU council has agreed the details of the implementation period,” she said. “This gives certainty to people and businesses, it gives them the clarity to plan for their future and it ensures that they will only have to make one change when we enter into our future relationship.
“I believe there is a new dynamic now in the negotiations. We are approaching this with a spirit of cooperation and a spirit of opportunity for the future. We will now be sitting down and determining those workable solutions for Northern Ireland, but also for our future security partnership and economic partnership.”
Negotiators on both sides believe a trade deal can be drawn up during the 21-month transition period that will come into force after 29 March 2019.
However, Philippe Lamberts, a Belgian MEP who co-leads the Green group, voiced scepticism shared by some European diplomats in private. “Who can believe that within 21 months you can complete and then ratify a full association agreement,” he told the Guardian. “That is impossible.”
Lamberts said he expected the EU to make provision in the withdrawal agreement to extend the transition, but “they want to extract a price for that concession”.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Meanwhile, as everyone has their eyes turned to the eventual non story of a border continues, the real threat to the ROI is the Common Consolidated Corporate Tax Base (CCCTB) which will be rolled out whether the ROI wants it or not. This will seriously undermine the ROI economy to the benefit of the larger EU members......
The 'non story of a border' is Northern Ireland stays in the customs union and the single market and the UK has even less control. Northern Ireland was due to implement a 12.5% corporation tax in April 2018 same as Ireland but different to the rest of the UK.
Trump announces sweeping plans to move US corporate tax rate closer to Ireland's
The plans will lower the corporate tax rate from 35% to 20%.
Sep 28th 2017, 7:29 AM 24,324 Views 127 Comments
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DONALD TRUMP AND the Republican Party unveiled a plan to radically reform the tax regime in the US yesterday, including a sharp fall in corporate tax rates that would bring the country closer to Ireland’s rate of 12.5%.
Trump has long promised to lower taxes in a bid to boost the American economy and the plan sees the corporate tax rate cut from 35% to 20%.
The plan also seeks to encourage firms to bring back profits that have accumulated abroad by offering a one-time, low tax rate on wealth brought back from overseas.
In the past, Irish employers group Ibec warned that plans by the US to slash corporate rates could pose a “competitive challenge to Ireland”.
“I’ve been waiting for this for a long time”
At a press conference at Trump Tower last month, the US President said that he would cut down on regulations for construction projects like motorways, and aim to bring manufacturing jobs back from other countries – namechecking Ireland.
Trump said: “You have to bring it back to this country, you can’t do it in Ireland and all of these other places. You have to bring this work back to this country so that American workers can benefit.”
But let's not let anything get in the way of using something others are doing as well, to bash the EU and pretend that the UK is Ireland's friend and saviour. Ireland will not be leaving the EU so as to help the Tories impose their Brexit interpretation and save face. And Northern Ireland will have special status that is different to the rest of the UK. That is unless the Tories abandon their red lines something that would please the City of London, the Stock Exchange, Engineering Federation, CBI, IoD, Bank Of England and every other business organisation. A good bet would be that the transition period is rolled over and over and over.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
The 'non story of a border' is Northern Ireland stays in the customs union and the single market and the UK has even less control. Northern Ireland was due to implement a 12.5% corporation tax in April 2018 same as Ireland but different to the rest of the UK.
Trump announces sweeping plans to move US corporate tax rate closer to Ireland's
The plans will lower the corporate tax rate from 35% to 20%.
Sep 28th 2017, 7:29 AM 24,324 Views 127 Comments
Share148 Tweet Email1
Image: Michael Conroy AP/PA Images
DONALD TRUMP AND the Republican Party unveiled a plan to radically reform the tax regime in the US yesterday, including a sharp fall in corporate tax rates that would bring the country closer to Ireland’s rate of 12.5%.
Trump has long promised to lower taxes in a bid to boost the American economy and the plan sees the corporate tax rate cut from 35% to 20%.
The plan also seeks to encourage firms to bring back profits that have accumulated abroad by offering a one-time, low tax rate on wealth brought back from overseas.
In the past, Irish employers group Ibec warned that plans by the US to slash corporate rates could pose a “competitive challenge to Ireland”.
“I’ve been waiting for this for a long time”
At a press conference at Trump Tower last month, the US President said that he would cut down on regulations for construction projects like motorways, and aim to bring manufacturing jobs back from other countries – namechecking Ireland.
Trump said: “You have to bring it back to this country, you can’t do it in Ireland and all of these other places. You have to bring this work back to this country so that American workers can benefit.”
But let's not let anything get in the way of using something others are doing as well, to bash the EU and pretend that the UK is Ireland's friend and saviour. Ireland will not be leaving the EU so as to help the Tories impose their Brexit interpretation and save face. And Northern Ireland will have special status that is different to the rest of the UK. That is unless the Tories abandon their red lines something that would please the City of London, the Stock Exchange, Engineering Federation, CBI, IoD, Bank Of England and every other business organisation. A good bet would be that the transition period is rolled over and over and over.
I’m not quite sure why you raise whatever Trump and the USA will do. My comment was regarding the EU harmonisation of capital gains tax, which will be to the advantage of bigger EU countries and the disadvantage of the ROI.....
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Meanwhile JC is going to become the next PM and completely fck your little world in...
Encouraging news:
UK Labour Party to forge alliance to stop 'hard border'
The opposition Labour party in Britain is preparing to forge a cross-party alliance to guarantee there will be no infrastructure on the Irish border after Brexit.
The plan involves trying to rewrite Brexit legislation currently going through the British parliament to enshrine in law the political commitment made at the end of last year to avoid a hard border.
If successful, it would rule out customs checks and border controls - forcing the UK Government to come forward with alternative arrangements and also protect the commitment to "no hard border" even if London walked away from Brexit talks with Brussels without a deal.
The Labour Party Shadow Brexit Secretary, Sir Keir Starmer, told The Observer newspaper: "At the end of last year, the EU and UK government made a political agreement that there would be no hard border in Northern Ireland. However, the content of the withdrawal agreement is not legally binding. It is a political document subject to negotiation and will not have legal force unless and until it is ratified - which is by no means a done deal."
The plan could take the form of an amendment to the European Union (Withdrawal) Bill currently going through the House of Lords and Labour would hope to persuade peers from other parties to back it.
That would then force a showdown in the House of Commons when the legislation returns there later this year.
UK Labour Party to forge alliance to stop 'hard border'
The opposition Labour party in Britain is preparing to forge a cross-party alliance to guarantee there will be no infrastructure on the Irish border after Brexit.
The plan involves trying to rewrite Brexit legislation currently going through the British parliament to enshrine in law the political commitment made at the end of last year to avoid a hard border.
If successful, it would rule out customs checks and border controls - forcing the UK Government to come forward with alternative arrangements and also protect the commitment to "no hard border" even if London walked away from Brexit talks with Brussels without a deal.
The Labour Party Shadow Brexit Secretary, Sir Keir Starmer, told The Observer newspaper: "At the end of last year, the EU and UK government made a political agreement that there would be no hard border in Northern Ireland. However, the content of the withdrawal agreement is not legally binding. It is a political document subject to negotiation and will not have legal force unless and until it is ratified - which is by no means a done deal."
The plan could take the form of an amendment to the European Union (Withdrawal) Bill currently going through the House of Lords and Labour would hope to persuade peers from other parties to back it.
That would then force a showdown in the House of Commons when the legislation returns there later this year.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Well he won’t, and my little world will just carry on as before......
That's why Jezza has sacked his NI secretary Owen Smith then an avid remainer!?......
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Hahahaha.......
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As an outsider (non-Brit) myself wondering, why do Northern Irish people feel so offended about the thought of having a hard border? If it offends them so much, why did they choose to join UK instead of being independent together with South? I mean if you think you are better of within UK, then it shouldn't upset you so much that there is a hard border with your Southern neighbour. Two different countries at the end of the day. And you are leaving the EU unlike Rep of Ireland, even more natural.
Just my two cents, maybe I am not aware some aspects of this issue.
Just my two cents, maybe I am not aware some aspects of this issue.
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Charlie Sweet
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You're just missing out a few hundred years of history mate. Google The Troubles and Brits in Ireland and you'll be fine. Think of it like the whites in South Africa or the South in the US and their treatments of Blacks.
Still a little bit of ignorance on the issue hasn't stopped @Joey66 or @peteblue albeit perhaps you're coming at it from a much more sinister perspective in which case you'll get on fine with old @Moomin
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Nothing sinister about my post mate, I already said I am not an expert, not well-informed about this and also an outsider (not Brit nor Irish). I accept I seemed a bit simplistic, cause it just didn't make sense, two different countries, there won't be shared EU membership anymore, hard border is inevitable, I thought.
Now checking wikipedia about The Troubles, it is very comlicated stuff. Thanks for tip of the info, appreciated
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