Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[peteblue]

I wonder what you would call “unilateral safeguarding measures if they were taken by the EU?
“Punishment beatings for no obvious benefit to anyone..”

The U.K. are not applying overly stringent rules as a means of punishing the EU. The U.K. has indeed done the opposite and given the EU ‘equivalence’ in fields where the EU refuse to do similar. If the U.K. we’re to behave as the EU are currently behaving I would say we are being stupid and obnoxious……

 

[peteblue]

Oh i know it will, the UK will blink and discuss with the EU and this is why:

EU will 'respond with all measures at its disposal' if UK brings in law to change Protocol

Liz Truss addressed the House of Commons this afternoon.

www.thejournal.ie

We know how this goes, we saw it with the withdrawal agreement, still huge reputational damage nationally for the UK government internationally.

Trade in Northern Ireland has improved and as already pointed out the vast majority of the population have mandated an ascent of the protocol, indeed before they rejected Brexit - full stop.

I can tell you right now what will happen, the UK will grandstand to distract from all their domestic issues, to take on the EU and sit down and go with the EU plan all along, cant believe you fall for it to be honest mate. Vault me.

Very possibly, we have indeed had the wool pulled over our eyes in respect of Europe for 50 years. Both the U.K. and EU had the opportunity to show a ‘grown up’ approach to our separation, but it has become a messy divorce driven by people like Macron…people who quite frankly don’t give a crap about either NI or ROI, as long as they can have a pop at the U.K. ….

 

[mightymoyes]

The U.K. are not applying overly stringent rules as a means of punishing the EU. The U.K. has indeed done the opposite and given the EU ‘equivalence’ in fields where the EU refuse to do similar. If the U.K. we’re to behave as the EU are currently behaving I would say we are being stupid and obnoxious……

standard behaviour for johnson and his govt

 

[Alan Whittle]

The U.K. are not applying overly stringent rules as a means of punishing the EU. The U.K. has indeed done the opposite and given the EU ‘equivalence’ in fields where the EU refuse to do similar. If the U.K. we’re to behave as the EU are currently behaving I would say we are being stupid and obnoxious……

Only you, The DUP and the ERG seem to think these rules are “overly stringent”.
After all, Boris himself has said that if anyone was asked to fill in a form, they should merely take it to him and he would tear it up.

 

[Bluerover]

So, nothing has been eroded, but still the U.K. is treated like some 3rd world producer, having led the defining and introduction of the very standards used in the EU. This is all just a punishment beating for no obvious benefit to anyone. Everyone knows it, but Remainers love it. The U.K. will not stand for a lowering of standards and you and the EU know this, but it’s another stick to beat Brexit with……

Speaking from experience, welfare and hygiene standards in Brazilian beef are, to say the least, questionable. It seems that the UK is looking to that as a source for beef to replace what will probably become more expensive from the EU as a result of Brexit.

The EU carries out audits on 3rd country suppliers who seek to export to the EU, to ensure conformity with EU standards before permitting meat from a primary or secondary producer to enter the EU.

This is just one of the reasons for the Protocol - if meat arrives in NI that has come from a source which has not been cleared to EU standards, it can go all over the EU through the ROI.

Green and Red Channels?? How the heck is that going to provide assurance to EU consumers that product below standard will not get through.

 

[Neiler]

Very possibly, we have indeed had the wool pulled over our eyes in respect of Europe for 50 years. Both the U.K. and EU had the opportunity to show a ‘grown up’ approach to our separation, but it has become a messy divorce driven by people like Macron…people who quite frankly don’t give a crap about either NI or ROI, as long as they can have a pop at the U.K. ….

I think its the exact opposite mate, no one cares anymore, Brexit is a UK issue. bar voyerism at the carnage, no one else cares at this stage. Only for NI and welfare of people in the UK, i know i certainly dont.

Its this simple, you negotiated agreed and signed an international agreement and now unilatery trying to change your own agreement, reputationally internationally its tatters stuff, it defacto means your parliament are liars and untrustworthy. Why would anyone sign an agreement with the UK now.

The above is the principal of course, ive no doubt the UK will fall into line with the EU plan, via a bone thrown so they can politically save face, which is the motivation here and that will be more to assist NI then anything. I can tell you that is exactly what is going to happen, its all a smoke screen to distract from the UK's domestic problems. They will draft legislation and it will never see the light of day. Vault me.

 

[Bluerover]

Never ending how moronic the Tory Government is.....

Liz Truss said only Irish people hit by Brexit would be ‘a few farmers with turnips’, ex-diplomat claims

UK foreign secretary Liz Truss once claimed that the impact of a no-deal Brexit on Ireland would only affect “a few farmers with turnips in their trucks”, a former UK diplomat has claimed.

www.independent.ie

 

[thirdmantackle]

Changing the protocol despite most people in NI realising it is helping the NI economy to outperform the rest of the uk.
Levelling down

 

[Neiler]

The Northern Ireland Economy is outperforming the rest of the UK. The UK Government want to unilaterally scrap the protocol - you couldn't make it up.

Northern Irish economy outperforming UK thanks to Brexit protocol: Experts

National Institute of Economic and Social Research says freedom to trade barrier-free with EU has ‘benefitted Northern Ireland post-Brexit.’

www.politico.eu

 

[peteblue]

The Northern Ireland Economy is outperforming the rest of the UK. The UK Government want to unilaterally scrap the protocol - you couldn't make it up.

Northern Irish economy outperforming UK thanks to Brexit protocol: Experts

National Institute of Economic and Social Research says freedom to trade barrier-free with EU has ‘benefitted Northern Ireland post-Brexit.’

www.politico.eu

No, the U.K. government want to amend the protocol so that it will be even better for NI……

 

[Neiler]

No, the U.K. government want to amend the protocol so that it will be even better for NI……

Not according to 79% of the NI mandate. But sure when did the democratic will of the people of NI ever amount the much in domestic UK politics.

Indeed, the UK government i would propose dont have a mandate even to this internally as it overrides its own parliament - i mean the deal was presented, debated, voted on and carried by its own democratically elected parliament and cross party M.P.'s representing the will of the British people.

Essentially its undermining its own political systems validity and acting almost like a dictatorship mascaraing as democracy - if there are agreements and treaties we dont like lets just rip them up, undermine any internal or external opposition, ignore your own democratic and political institutions and do what you want to do anyway.

N.I. is like the U.K.'s Crimea.

 

[peteblue]

Not according to 79% of the NI mandate. But sure when did the democratic will of the people of NI ever amount the much in domestic UK politics.

Indeed, the UK government i would propose dont have a mandate even to this internally - i mean the deal was presented, debated, voted on and accepted by its own parliament.

Essentially its undermining its own political systems validity and acting almost like a dictatorship mascaraing as democracy - if there are agreements and treaties we dont like lets just rip them up, undermine any internal or external opposition, ignore your own democratic and political institutions and do what you want to do anyway.

N.I. is like the U.K.'s Crimea.

NI is not like Crimea. It is part of the U.K. until such time as they wish not to be.

The protocol has been abused by the EU to make NI trade with the EU easy and trade with the rest of the U.K. as difficult as possible. The purpose of the protocol was to ensure a continued open border with the ROI. Only the EU insisted upon a border being in place and this was done for political reasons. May cocked it up and Boris was naive in the extreme.

Everyone wants the best for NI, whatever the future holds…..

 

[Neiler]

NI is not like Crimea. It is part of the U.K. until such time as they wish not to be.

The protocol has been abused by the EU to make NI trade with the EU easy and trade with the rest of the U.K. as difficult as possible. The purpose of the protocol was to ensure a continued open border with the ROI. Only the EU insisted upon a border being in place and this was done for political reasons. May cocked it up and Boris was naive in the extreme.

Everyone wants the best for NI, whatever the future holds…..

Its exactly like Crimea mate, it has no nationalistic or democratic vote, Brexit, the protocol, etc - the mandate is just ignored and used as a play thing in a parliament elsewhere in a distant land across the sea.

Trade in Northern Ireland is thriving, the economy is growing faster then anywhere in the UK, 79% people dont want the protocol replaced, business. industry and agriculture dont want it replaced. NI voted against the Brexit mess in the first place. So where are the wishes of the people there - so there is no moral high ground on the mandate of the "will of the people of NI"). To be honest mate - the everyone wants what is best for NI is just rhetoric and soundbites. No body in NI well, unless you are in DUP (and they are thrown under the bus regularly) believe the UK government wants what's best for NI, the population feels alienated and disaffected, im up there regularly.

Boris is playing domestic politics and distracting from his own and domestic UK troubles, with NI and to be seen to be taking on the EU - he doesn't give a flyer about NI, to be perfectly honest. As i said he also has no mandate from his own parliament - i mean the deal was presented, debated, voted on and accepted by its own parliament of cross party MP'S, democratically elected to represent the British people and now the government in undermining its own parliaments democratic vote - and it was even a Tory government negotiated deal. lol

 

[Ruairi77]

No, the U.K. government want to amend the protocol so that it will be even better for NI……

how?

 

[peteblue]

how?

Having access to both the U.K. and EU without additional expensive bureaucracy…paperwork and vets cost money and it all gets added to the price of goods…..