Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[peteblue]

US laying down the line. Do Boris and Truss realise their buddy Trump is gone?

The group repeated a warning that there will not be a US-UK trade agreement if any damage is caused to the Good Friday Agreement as a result of unilateral action.

"That's been articulated by the speaker and now having had both Democratic and Republican members of Congress, who don't agree on everything, there are many things we disagree on but we agree on that point and we've made it very clear to each and every person that we've met with on this delegation trip," Mr Kildee added.

'Deep well of support' for protocol solution - Martin

Taoiseach Micheál Martin has said there is "a deep well of support from our partners across the world" for the EU and UK to come to a "joint, pragmatic solution" over the Northern Ireland Protocol.

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Then we should tell the USA to go away and mind its own business. If there is no free trade agreement so be it…..No one is really arsed ……

 

[Bluerover]

Then we should tell the USA to go away and mind its own business. If there is no free trade agreement so be it…..No one is really arsed ……

So, 22% Donaldson is now dictating GB international trade policy.

I really fear for your exporters mate - where are they going to find markets that are accessible without tariffs if the whole EU and USA are going to treat GB as a Third Country.

Cutting nose spite face comes to mind.

You need to tell Donaldson where to go - when in a hole.....

 

[peteblue]

So, 22% Donaldson is now dictating GB international trade policy.

I really fear for your exporters mate - where are they going to find markets that are accessible without tariffs if the whole EU and USA are going to treat GB as a Third Country.

Cutting nose spite face comes to mind.

You need to tell Donaldson where to go - when in a hole.....

I read one bit from one of the Americans, he said we must respect the absence of border and the integrity of the EU single market. He made absolutely no reference to the integrity of the U.K. single market.….

 

[Haydn]

Then we should tell the USA to go away and mind its own business. If there is no free trade agreement so be it…..No one is really arsed ……

I know I’m easily confused, it’s happening again.

We were told that Brexit will be brilliant, we’ll do free trade deals all over the shop. Our biggest trading partner isn’t the EU anyway, it’s the USA. We’ll do a free trade deal with them which will be world beating.

So now the outcome of getting Brexit done and tweaking it so it is even more wonderful, is that the USA tell us to do one.

I must be missing something ?

 

[peteblue]

I know I’m easily confused, it’s happening again.

We were told that Brexit will be brilliant, we’ll do free trade deals all over the shop. Our biggest trading partner isn’t the EU anyway it’s the USA. We’ll do a free trade deal with them which will be world beating.

So now the outcome of getting Brexit done and tweaking it so it is even more wonderful is that the USA tell us to do one.

I must be missing something ?

You are. The USA telling us what we must do for them to ‘grant us’ a trade deal by undermining the U.K. single market is a non starter. Obama tried this one and was given two fingers, Biden and Pelosi will be gone soon enough…..

 

[Bluerover]

I read one bit from one of the Americans, he said we must respect the absence of border and the integrity of the EU single market. He made absolutely no reference to the integrity of the U.K. single market.….

Today:

Mr Neal said: "The protocol dispute seems to me to be a manufactured issue," adding that the congressional delegation, who he asserted were "experts" at trade, believe "these issues on the trade front, if that's really the dispute, could be ironed out quickly".

He said he felt it was "now up to London to find a solution".

Mr Coveney said he believed that the EU can respond "in a significant way" to legitimate concerns in the unionist community through partnership, but added: "We need a partner, for partnership."

He said there is a risk the British government will impose a solution.

"I think that will cause a lot more problems than it will solve."

Preserving peace 'number one' issue for US in Ireland

US Congressman Richard Neal, who is chair of the House of Representatives Ways and Means Committee, has told the Seanad that the "number one priority" for the United States on the island of Ireland is to ensure the hard-won peace in Northern Ireland is preserved and reinforced.

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[peteblue]

Today:

Mr Neal said: "The protocol dispute seems to me to be a manufactured issue," adding that the congressional delegation, who he asserted were "experts" at trade, believe "these issues on the trade front, if that's really the dispute, could be ironed out quickly".

He said he felt it was "now up to London to find a solution".

Mr Coveney said he believed that the EU can respond "in a significant way" to legitimate concerns in the unionist community through partnership, but added: "We need a partner, for partnership."

He said there is a risk the British government will impose a solution.

"I think that will cause a lot more problems than it will solve."

Preserving peace 'number one' issue for US in Ireland

US Congressman Richard Neal, who is chair of the House of Representatives Ways and Means Committee, has told the Seanad that the "number one priority" for the United States on the island of Ireland is to ensure the hard-won peace in Northern Ireland is preserved and reinforced.

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But remember the EU insist that the protocol cannot be amended. Obviously issues can be ironed out, but not when the EU refuse to do so….

 

[summerisle]

But remember the EU insist that the protocol cannot be amended. Obviously issues can be ironed out, but not when the EU refuse to do so….

There is a mechanism, it's only this 'government' with its bluster and faux nationalism that won't try to negotiate.

 

[peteblue]

There is a mechanism, it's only this 'government' with its bluster and faux nationalism that won't try to negotiate.

But isn’t article 16 part of the mechanism…I’m sure it was when the EU wanted to disgracefully attempt to stop Covid jabs moving into NI…..

 

[summerisle]

But isn’t article 16 part of the mechanism…I’m sure it was when the EU wanted to disgracefully attempt to stop Covid jabs moving into NI…..

Dispute resolution under the Ireland/Northern Ireland Protocol - Research Matters

The Ireland/Northern Ireland Protocol is part of the Withdrawal Agreement, and was designed to deal with the effect of the UK’s exit from the EU on the island of Ireland. This Protocol sets out arrangements necessary to address the unique circumstances on the island of Ireland, to maintain the...

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[Bluerover]

Dispute resolution under the Ireland/Northern Ireland Protocol - Research Matters

The Ireland/Northern Ireland Protocol is part of the Withdrawal Agreement, and was designed to deal with the effect of the UK’s exit from the EU on the island of Ireland. This Protocol sets out arrangements necessary to address the unique circumstances on the island of Ireland, to maintain the...

www.assemblyresearchmatters.org

In the first instance, Article 16 is to be called into aid when the application of the Protocol ‘leads to serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties that are likely to persist’ or ‘diversion of trade’. In such circumstances, the EU or the UK may unilaterally take appropriate safeguard measures, which must be restricted to what is strictly necessary to remedy the situation. Priority is given to measures that ‘least disturb’ the functioning of the Protocol.

The reality is that the de facto application of the Protocol has allowed NI to outperform GB, in having unfettered access to the EU through ROI. The GB economy is suffering from now being a Third Country and so losing Customs and tariffs free access to the EU

I have posted this before - 2/3 of NI exports are to the EU with ROI its largest single export market - bigger than to GB. If a hard border is put in because of unilateral breach of an International Agreement, yes the ROI will suffer initially, especially in the Border counties, but will still have freedom of movement to 500million potential customers.

Johnson is playing the Orange DUP card which is stuck in 1690 and refuses to move on - Donaldson is a busted flush with 78% of the NI electorate voting for other parties.

If he proceeds to tee off the EU and now the USA, and given that Australia and NZ have long found that their import/export markets are closer to Asia than Europe, well the very best of luck.

 

[Xizor]

I read one bit from one of the Americans, he said we must respect the absence of border and the integrity of the EU single market. He made absolutely no reference to the integrity of the U.K. single market.….

The UK Government waived the "UK single market" away by signing the Protocol, Pete. They had to, because the other two options were, and have always been, EU regulatory alignment (which the nutters won't accept), or placing a hard border across Ireland (which goes against the GFA and is unacceptable to the EU and the US, both of whom are more powerful and influential at the negotiating table). Were you too busy posting here, perhaps with one hand at the time, to actually pay attention to what it meant? None of it was shifty foreign underhandedness, Boris trumpeted his 'success' loudly and in public. He sold you out, and you still dance to his tune.

You can stomp your feet now and claim it's of equal importance, but that part of the Brexit process is over, and "we" lost.

 

[peteblue]

The UK Government waived the "UK single market" away by signing the Protocol, Pete. They had to, because the other two options were, and have always been, EU regulatory alignment (which the nutters won't accept), or placing a hard border across Ireland (which goes against the GFA and is unacceptable to the EU and the US, both of whom are more powerful and influential at the negotiating table). Were you too busy posting here, perhaps with one hand at the time, to actually pay attention to what it meant? None of it was shifty foreign underhandedness, Boris trumpeted his 'success' loudly and in public. He sold you out, and you still dance to his tune.

You can stomp your feet now and claim it's of equal importance, but that part of the Brexit process is over, and "we" lost.

Good job we can invoke article 16 then…..

 

[Bluerover]

Good job we can invoke article 16 then…..

Pete

Read my post above - what are the serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties being suffered as a result of the Protocol?

How will GB, if it invokes Art 16 ensure Priority is given to measures that ‘least disturb’ the functioning of the Protocol.??

Good luck with that mate.

 

[Bluerover]

DUP fuming


Quelle surprise

‘One-sided’: unionists react with scorn as US delegation arrives in Ireland

Cross-party group aiming to shore up support for NI protocol is welcomed in Dublin, but DUP meeting expected to be frosty

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