Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[Khalekan]

Not like the BBC to come out and admit this.

This report must have snuck past an editor.

 

[Khalekan]

That front page article is just dripping with bitterness innit.

I am surprised at The Obsever sinking to Daily Telegraph levels of post imperialist bile.

 

[Drumblue]

I am not sure your analysis is correct, it would appear that the percentage of those MLAs nominating as "unionists"will go up in the next term as the number nominating as "other" will also go up due to the success of Aliance. I don't think they have imploded but it has been a chastening night for the unionists, particularly with the loss of Roy Beggs and the possible loss of Doug Beattie, but I am sure we will get the usual political spin, wasn't as bad as predicted, lessons learned etc. It is a good thing that the unionist vote hasn't imploded, at this point in our history they need a gradual realisation that the hand of history is now on their shoulder and that the Northern Ireland of the old Stormont no longer exists. In this place sudden changes usually lead to violence.
This day, the day on which we elect a nationalist leader, has been coming ever since the state was set up. This state had a shelf life from the day it was established, unionism has buried it's head in the sand and has refused to contemplate that the British democracy they hold so dear would eventually do for them.
This election result can be the the best or the worst thing that has happened to unionism since the Assembly was set up, they can now recognise that Northern Ireland we cease to exist, probably in the lifetime of the next Westminister parliament, and they can start to negotiate what form this new Ireland will take and their position within it; or they can continue to tub thump. Tub thumping will provide justification to the more violent elements of loyalist and we will have violence back on our streets.
We live in interesting times.

I am not sure your analysis is correct, it would appear that the percentage of those MLAs nominating as "unionists"will go up in the next term as the number nominating as "other" will also go up due to the success of Aliance. I don't think they have imploded but it has been a chastening night for the unionists, particularly with the loss of Roy Beggs and the possible loss of Doug Beattie, but I am sure we will get the usual political spin, wasn't as bad as predicted, lessons learned etc. It is a good thing that the unionist vote hasn't imploded, at this point in our history they need a gradual realisation that the hand of history is now on their shoulder and that the Northern Ireland of the old Stormont no longer exists. In this place sudden changes usually lead to violence.
This day, the day on which we elect a nationalist leader, has been coming ever since the state was set up. This state had a shelf life from the day it was established, unionism has buried it's head in the sand and has refused to contemplate that the British democracy they hold so dear would eventually do for them.
This election result can be the the best or the worst thing that has happened to unionism since the Assembly was set up, they can now recognise that Northern Ireland we cease to exist, probably in the lifetime of the next Westminister parliament, and they can start to negotiate what form this new Ireland will take and their position within it; or they can continue to tub thump. Tub thumping will provide justification to the more violent elements of loyalist and we will have violence back on our streets.
We live in interesting times.

horrible wee cnut.
Still a one man band, his brand of anti-catholic, anti- Irish politics was rejected.

 

[Taifi gorm]

View attachment 164979horrible wee cnut.
Still a one man band, his brand of anti-catholic, anti- Irish politics was rejected.

Its the advert behind him that will make that picture iconic.

 

[Drumblue]

Its the advert behind him that will make that picture iconic.

Deffo....?

 

[Taifi gorm]

Also wouldn't mind him as a TD. He panders to a base but has called out dodgy business and council dealings in the past. Wouldn't be long softening the Healy Raes and the developer cartels cough.

 

[Caolam]

Also wouldn't mind him as a TD. He panders to a base but has called out dodgy business and council dealings in the past. Wouldn't be long softening the Healy Raes and the developer cartels cough.

He is a barrister by trade, I had a tribunal against him once, he is every bit a nasty in real life as he is on the television, he won.

 

[Khalekan]

Its the advert behind him that will make that picture iconic.

?

 

[woodsyni]

Has it ever dawned on the clowns in the DUP, that the Protocol allows goods from NI to pass freely through the ROI and across the whole EU - 500 million potential customers.

Flipping idiots

The trade thing isn't an issue for them, I reckon. It's the 'different' from the rest of the UK is thing. Straight from a DUP-voting colleague's mouth.

Being different from the rest of the UK didn't seem to bother them when the used their veto, I mean 'petition of concern' (completely not what it was designed for) to stop abortion and gay marriage laws. They even tried to push a 'conscience' clause that would effectively allowed business to legally discriminate against LGTB people.

It's like they make it up as they go along to fit their bigotted views......as if..... ?

 

[Bluerover]

The trade thing isn't an issue for them, I reckon. It's the 'different' from the rest of the UK is thing. Straight from a DUP-voting colleague's mouth.

Being different from the rest of the UK didn't seem to bother them when the used their veto, I mean 'petition of concern' (completely not what it was designed for) to stop abortion and gay marriage laws. They even tried to push a 'conscience' clause that would effectively allowed business to legally discriminate against LGTB people.

It's like they make it up as they go along to fit their bigotted views......as if..... ?

The only real industry left in NI is agriculture. Does he want access to a market of 60m or to 500m without tariffs? FFS. He is such a twit but seems to be prospering on his idiotic approach. 22% holding 78% to ransom

 

[woodsyni]

I need to update this - just seen an opinion poll in the Sunday Independent - most in the South - 51% _want a Border poll but 49% agree within 5 years. However 57% in favour of a United Ireland, 24% against and 19% unsure.

No idea what the polls would be like in NI - as posted earlier this needs to be handled very delicately - baby steps

I reckon you have a definite 40% either side for yes/no judging by the election. That leaves 20% to make up their minds. There's a lot of people in the Civil Service who will not be in a hurry to delete their jobs. There are pension issues and health service issues amongst many other hurdles. I'm not even sure the South would vote for it. Can't blame them either for not wanting to take on our basketcase of a country.

I believe the die has been cast and it's inevitable but nowhere near as close as people think/hope. There's a lot of rough stuff to happen before then.

 

[woodsyni]

The only real industry left in NI is agriculture. Does he want access to a market of 60m or to 500m without tariffs? FFS. He is such a twit but seems to be prospering on his idiotic approach. 22% holding 78% to ransom

Surely 'twit' is a typo ?

 

[Drumblue]

He is a barrister by trade, I had a tribunal against him once, he is every bit a nasty in real life as he is on the television, he won.

 

[woodsyni]

The only real industry left in NI is agriculture. Does he want access to a market of 60m or to 500m without tariffs? FFS. He is such a twit but seems to be prospering on his idiotic approach. 22% holding 78% to ransom

You see, Rover, the mistake you're making with these boyos is you're trying to apply logic. ?

Would be some craic watching them rock up at the Dáil. Show time!!!!

 

[Bluerover]

I reckon you have a definite 40% either side for yes/no judging by the election. That leaves 20% to make up their minds. There's a lot of people in the Civil Service who will not be in a hurry to delete their jobs. There are pension issues and health service issues amongst many other hurdles. I'm not even sure the South would vote for it. Can't blame them either for not wanting to take on our basketcase of a country.

I believe the die has been cast and it's inevitable but nowhere near as close as people think/hope. There's a lot of rough stuff to happen before then.

My Glens mate admitted quite a few years ago that NI might be better treated in a United Ireland than by GB - his mother definitely would not agree!!

In the past he has voted DUP but living in Weston s Mare for some years now.

NI has had a huge number of public servants for decades, so your point is well made. You are also correct that many of us are not interested in taking on nearly 900k (2011 census) who would be unhappy about joining us - we are certainly not perfect by any means. Like other countries we are more concerned with inflation, fuel prices, the health service and trying to recover from this ongoing pandemic.

I sense however taht GB will happily let go if the day comes as they are pumping huge money into maintaining the Union.

Donaldson is such a myopic muppet that he can't see how is petulance is teeing off everyone - across the island, in GB and particularly in the EU