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[dublinbluenose]

Doug Beattie in trouble in upper Bann

 

[Bluerover]

Doug Beattie in trouble in upper Bann

The Unionists have imploded between UUP, DUP and TUV. I can actually tolerate Beattie, but if he loses his seat he is gone.

I can't stand Donaldson

 

[dublinbluenose]

The Unionists have imploded between UUP, DUP and TUV. I can actually tolerate Beattie, but if he loses his seat he is gone.

I can't stand Donaldson

Unless he gets a lot of tranfers from the DUP and TUV he's not gonna get over the line.

 

[Taifi gorm]

The Unionists have imploded between UUP, DUP and TUV. I can actually tolerate Beattie, but if he loses his seat he is gone.

I can't stand Donaldson

Look at his drunken tweets, beattie isn't the progressive person he wants to be seen as.

 

[Bluerover]

Look at his drunken tweets, beattie isn't the progressive person he wants to be seen as.

Another reason I don't tweet mate. I use FB very sparingly and only groups in whom I have a real interest

 

[Caolam]

The Unionists have imploded between UUP, DUP and TUV. I can actually tolerate Beattie, but if he loses his seat he is gone.

I can't stand Donaldson

I am not sure your analysis is correct, it would appear that the percentage of those MLAs nominating as "unionists"will go up in the next term as the number nominating as "other" will also go up due to the success of Aliance. I don't think they have imploded but it has been a chastening night for the unionists, particularly with the loss of Roy Beggs and the possible loss of Doug Beattie, but I am sure we will get the usual political spin, wasn't as bad as predicted, lessons learned etc. It is a good thing that the unionist vote hasn't imploded, at this point in our history they need a gradual realisation that the hand of history is now on their shoulder and that the Northern Ireland of the old Stormont no longer exists. In this place sudden changes usually lead to violence.
This day, the day on which we elect a nationalist leader, has been coming ever since the state was set up. This state had a shelf life from the day it was established, unionism has buried it's head in the sand and has refused to contemplate that the British democracy they hold so dear would eventually do for them.
This election result can be the the best or the worst thing that has happened to unionism since the Assembly was set up, they can now recognise that Northern Ireland we cease to exist, probably in the lifetime of the next Westminister parliament, and they can start to negotiate what form this new Ireland will take and their position within it; or they can continue to tub thump. Tub thumping will provide justification to the more violent elements of loyalist and we will have violence back on our streets.
We live in interesting times.

 

[woodsyni]

I am not sure your analysis is correct, it would appear that the percentage of those MLAs nominating as "unionists"will go up in the next term as the number nominating as "other" will also go up due to the success of Aliance. I don't think they have imploded but it has been a chastening night for the unionists, particularly with the loss of Roy Beggs and the possible loss of Doug Beattie, but I am sure we will get the usual political spin, wasn't as bad as predicted, lessons learned etc. It is a good thing that the unionist vote hasn't imploded, at this point in our history they need a gradual realisation that the hand of history is now on their shoulder and that the Northern Ireland of the old Stormont no longer exists. In this place sudden changes usually lead to violence.
This day, the day on which we elect a nationalist leader, has been coming ever since the state was set up. This state had a shelf life from the day it was established, unionism has buried it's head in the sand and has refused to contemplate that the British democracy they hold so dear would eventually do for them.
This election result can be the the best or the worst thing that has happened to unionism since the Assembly was set up, they can now recognise that Northern Ireland we cease to exist, probably in the lifetime of the next Westminister parliament, and they can start to negotiate what form this new Ireland will take and their position within it; or they can continue to tub thump. Tub thumping will provide justification to the more violent elements of loyalist and we will have violence back on our streets.
We live in interesting times.

Good post. I honestly don't think the endgame is anywhere near as close though. I think we can also be pretty certain that tub thumping will be the default setting. They're used to stamping their feet, taking their ball home and getting their way. It won't work, of course, but they'll make it as unpleasant for everyone as they can. It's in their DNA. Interesting times.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Bring it on, a united Ireland ??????

 

[Bluerover]

Good post. I honestly don't think the endgame is anywhere near as close though. I think we can also be pretty certain that tub thumping will be the default setting. They're used to stamping their feet, taking their ball home and getting their way. It won't work, of course, but they'll make it as unpleasant for everyone as they can. It's in their DNA. Interesting times.

I think every new member of the DUP is asked if they can spell and say NOOOOO.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

I am not sure your analysis is correct, it would appear that the percentage of those MLAs nominating as "unionists"will go up in the next term as the number nominating as "other" will also go up due to the success of Aliance. I don't think they have imploded but it has been a chastening night for the unionists, particularly with the loss of Roy Beggs and the possible loss of Doug Beattie, but I am sure we will get the usual political spin, wasn't as bad as predicted, lessons learned etc. It is a good thing that the unionist vote hasn't imploded, at this point in our history they need a gradual realisation that the hand of history is now on their shoulder and that the Northern Ireland of the old Stormont no longer exists. In this place sudden changes usually lead to violence.
This day, the day on which we elect a nationalist leader, has been coming ever since the state was set up. This state had a shelf life from the day it was established, unionism has buried it's head in the sand and has refused to contemplate that the British democracy they hold so dear would eventually do for them.
This election result can be the the best or the worst thing that has happened to unionism since the Assembly was set up, they can now recognise that Northern Ireland we cease to exist, probably in the lifetime of the next Westminister parliament, and they can start to negotiate what form this new Ireland will take and their position within it; or they can continue to tub thump. Tub thumping will provide justification to the more violent elements of loyalist and we will have violence back on our streets.
We live in interesting times.

Great post.

Brexit has been manna from Heaven in terms of preparation. Learn from that, spell out what Unification actually means day in and day out. No doubt what you are actually voting for.

Political Unionism needs to prepare their electorate for what is happening.

 

[Bluerover]

Great post.

Brexit has been manna from Heaven in terms of preparation. Learn from that, spell out what Unification actually means day in and day out. No doubt what you are actually voting for.

Political Unionism needs to prepare their electorate for what is happening.

It has been apparent for years that GB doesn't give a toss about NI except when the DUP was holding a minority government together at Westminster.

I am not sure that there is a majority down South that want a United Ireland just yet. We certainly do not want an outbreak of violence anywhere on the island

There would need to be negotiations with the EU to recognise the 6 as now part of Ireland as an EU state. This needs to be handled very delicately

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

The election in Northern Ireland (NI) makes it clear that the majority in NI support the NI Protocol.
Boris and chums cannot make a convincing case that there is a genuine significant problem with it that cannot be sorted out though honest negotiations, but honesty is always the issue, as the Tory right wing still want rid of it.

The downsides of the internal UK Border were fully understood long before the UK Government agreed the Protocol.

Boris listed them all to the DUP in 2018 as a reason why no Tory Party leader could ever create such a Border.

But then he did it...

 

[Bluerover]

Has it ever dawned on the clowns in the DUP, that the Protocol allows goods from NI to pass freely through the ROI and across the whole EU - 500 million potential customers.

Flipping idiots

 

[Bluerover]

It has been apparent for years that GB doesn't give a toss about NI except when the DUP was holding a minority government together at Westminster.

I am not sure that there is a majority down South that want a United Ireland just yet. We certainly do not want an outbreak of violence anywhere on the island

There would need to be negotiations with the EU to recognise the 6 as now part of Ireland as an EU state. This needs to be handled very delicately

I need to update this - just seen an opinion poll in the Sunday Independent - most in the South - 51% _want a Border poll but 49% agree within 5 years. However 57% in favour of a United Ireland, 24% against and 19% unsure.

No idea what the polls would be like in NI - as posted earlier this needs to be handled very delicately - baby steps

 

[Deleted member 48881]