Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[hullefc]

I know the EU argument well mate. I just fully reject it and see it as unnecessary and pure profiteering. Britain and Ireland can have bilateral free trade. The EU don't need to be involved.

Explain why Britain and Ireland cannot have a fee trade deal. Why could it not work? I'm still waiting a rational answer.

The Republic is in the EU and are abiding by the EU rules on trade agreements. The UK are still in the EU and abide by the trade agreement rules. There is no need for the Republic to enter in trade talks with the UK, as it is the EU negotiators who are doing that on behalf of the members of the EU.

 

[hullefc]

Well hardly a surprise coming from the "extra £350m a week for the NHS" man....

As recently as November last year, the Foreign Secretary told the House of Commons: "There can be no return to a hard border. There can be no hard border.

"That would be unthinkable, and it would be economic and political madness".

In February 2016, ahead of the EU referendum, Mr Johnson promised the Irish border would be "absolutely unchanged".

Oh well hey Boris..

You have to realise that Johnson finds it very difficult to understand things. I heard that when there was talk of borders, in the cabinet, he thinks it has something to do with the Borders in Scotland.

 

[tsubaki]

You have to realise that Johnson finds it very difficult to understand things. I heard that when there was talk of borders, in the cabinet, he thinks it has something to do with the Borders in Scotland.

More like the Borders that used to be in Charing Cross Road - which admittedly did at one time have the best collection of Loeb Library books to buy in the capital and which was also across the road from Soho (with all that entailed).

 

[Jib in lad]

 

[Joey66]

Come again ?

Corbyn is stating we can have - A Single Market deal not the EU The single market as if they would agree to that hence my quote it's like someone selling you PPI insurance!
It's nonesence !

 

[electricblue]

Corbyn is stating we can have - A Single Market deal not the EU The single market as if they would agree to that hence my quote it's like someone selling you PPI insurance!
It's nonesence !

This the Irish Border and Brexit thread my good man, not the anti-Corbyn/anti-EU thread.

Time for bed.

 

[ToffeeTim]

They are xenophobics, there is no doubt about that. I said that they must have affected you because you are foaming at the mouth with anti-EU hate.

I don't have to give you a reason about a free trade deal because I didn't bring it up. You did. You do not seem to understand that it is not possible because the UK is taking a unilateral decision to leave the EU.

Stay in, and there are "no customs, no border, no hassle. Its the logical option."

Well you don't know me but went straight to the xenophobia card.

I fundamentally believe that all countries should have the right to make their own trade deals with non EU members or indeed any country on their own terms. There's lots of reasons I'm anti EU but this is the key.

 

[orchard]

You can't see why other nations may object to another flooding the shared market with things they've collectively decided to ban?

Well you don't know me but went straight to the xenophobia card.

I fundamentally believe that all countries should have the right to make their own trade deals with non EU members or indeed any country on their own terms. There's lots of reasons I'm anti EU but this is the key.

 

[peteblue]

How does the UK stop EU citizens entering Northern Ireland, by the backdoor as Hoey said, without having border checks? As you know taking back control of immigration means checking immigrants coming into the UK. The proverbial red line. Not possible without a border on the island of Ireland imposed by the UK government. Otherwise, they are not taking back control.

So what. As long as it works for NI and ROI. When will you learn that this is just a negotiating card for the EU and they will attempt to cynically use it for their apparent benefit.......

 

[peteblue]

Have you ever noticed that the majority of people in Northern Ireland wanted to stay in the EU and the majority of the people the republic want NI to stay in the EU but noooooo. a bunch of auld fellas in Sunderland fell for Farages Bull and hey presto, the Island of Ireland has to turn it's self inside out to accommodate London.

Yet London voted Remain as well.....

 

[peteblue]

You don't think Britian will mind people smuggling goods and avoiding tax or EU nationals entering the Republic and driving North and unto ferries across to Britian.

Why should we. Control comes not at a border but within the country. Anyone can jump on an inflatable and get to the U.K. anyway. The control comes when they arrive, they cannot work, receive benefits or whatever, can be deported etc etc. If a few goods are smuggled across the Irish border so what ?. Most goods are electronically checked in the originating country anyway and not by some guy in a uniform at a border. This whole issue is being blown out of all proportion by Remainers and the EU for their own political purposes......

 

[peteblue]

Nope, there are only 2.

EU and Ireland are on the same side - a fact which seems lost on most pro-Brexit people, or they choose to ignore it.

This is what happens when you leave the EU - you are on your own.

Oh no, we are on our own......

 

[electricblue]

Well you don't know me but went straight to the xenophobia card.

I said that Farage and Johnson were xenophobics, not you.

Read the post properly before getting offended.

 

[Khalekan]

Here’s a thought.

Whatever way the Tory backwoodsmen or the DUP want to cut it, Northern Ireland is clearly in a totally different position to England.

And not just geographically.

Upward of half the population want their country out of the UK, never mind the EU.

And a quick look at the electoral map of that province will soon show how the people who will be expected to have this “hard border” re-introduced into their midst would feel about it.

They will not be very gruntled. To say the least.

Commonsense dictates that N. Ireland is going to need some kind of “Special Status” after Brexit.

It is nothing short of disgraceful that it is the EU being left to make the running on this whilst the UK government sits staring into the stoat’s gaze of the DUP, a party which would probably opt to build a Trump type wall from Newry to Derry if given the choice.

Our own government should be leading the way in finding a decent solution for its own tax paying citizens who once again face being made to feel like strangers in their own land.

So here’s my two bits.

Why not put the matter to the NI people in a Referendum?

The DUP does not speak for the majority of people over there.....though thanks to the continued and anachronistic madness that is Sinn Fein abstentionism one would be forgiven for thinking so....and Remain won a bigger victory in Northern Ireland than Brexit did in England.

So let’s put it to the people.

Vote on Special Status.....YES or No.

 

[electricblue]

The DUP does not speak for the majority of people over there..

Very good point which needs to be highlighted, because it is a common misconception in Britain that they do. They only speak for the majority of Unionists.

Unfortunately the Tory/DUP government would never allow such a referendum because they know what the answer would be.