Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[Barnfred 55]

It isn’t an anti-Brit thing though. Please bear in mind that we are discussing this on a discussion forum of the British team we both support.

The excellent posts above were to provide context of why Ireland is looking to go it alone and will never realistically join the U.K.

I'm sorry mate but I disagree. There are elements of those posts that I feel, as a Brit, are anti British. For instance in a referendum 98% would vote no and 1% would be uncertain. And all Irish would be delighted if the country could be moved closer to France and away from the UK.

If I had posted similar about Ireland you would all have been all over me for being a racist.

 

[Barnfred 55]

That's the thing, it's not an anti Brit feeling. At least it wasn't after the GFA and before Brexit.
When the Queen visited Ireland in 2011, she was welcomed with open arms. It was the culmination of over two decades of intensive work to keep the peace and develop relations between the two countries.
But then Brexit happened and it's pretty clear that the patronizingly uninformed attitude towards Ireland was alive and well in the UK.
The roll of the EU in bringing about peace on the island of Ireland can not be underestimated.
It seems to me that reasonable people like you should be pushing for a deal that keeps the UK within the EU but gives you the sovereignty you want. This would keep the UK united and avoid a return to war on your land border.
The rise of right wing hardcore xenophobia has set your country back generations and threatens to drag Ireland with it.

Brexit wasn't about Ireland mate. Nobody I know voted to leave the EU because of the Irish. And most people I know don't want the Irish to suffer.

I don't like talking about Brexit these days, but I've gone on record many times to say my answer to the backstop is to have an Ireland only one. That would ensure an orderly Brexit and could be extremely profitable for the NI province to boot.

 

[Khalekan]

I'm sorry mate but I disagree. There are elements of those posts that I feel, as a Brit, are anti British. For instance in a referendum 98% would vote no and 1% would be uncertain. And all Irish would be delighted if the country could be moved closer to France and away from the UK.

If I had posted similar about Ireland you would all have been all over me for being a racist.

Stop making a victim of yourself, Barney.

You posed a quedtion about the Republic re-joining the UK and were told pleasantly enough that it was a non starter.

I think your problem is you are a Brexiter and are buying into Johnson and the Daily Telegraph’s “blame the Paddies” trap.

 

[roydo]

I'm sorry mate but I disagree. There are elements of those posts that I feel, as a Brit, are anti British. For instance in a referendum 98% would vote no and 1% would be uncertain. And all Irish would be delighted if the country could be moved closer to France and away from the UK.

If I had posted similar about Ireland you would all have been all over me for being a racist.

No You have to read the posts through the narrow prism of politics. Not a wider window of Irish/English relations in general.

Like I recall reading about the 5 Nations many years ago, at the height of the Troubles. For some reason, long forgotten, the only team that decided to play in Dublin was England, when they were rubbish.

At the post match meal, attended by all the players and blazers and that, the English captain, I dont know who, proposed the toast by saying "We arent very good, but at least we turned up". It was very well received.

Fast forward to the games more recently at Croke Park. A symbol, and a massive one at that, of English oppression/murder in the ROI. Great tensions about the reaction of the crowd, especially during the National Anthem. Not a peep from the crowd, it was perfectly respected.

In short, the resentment isnt with "The English", its with a certain part of "The English".

 

[Barnfred 55]

I don’t know if you included me in that Barney but as I have told you before, I was birn and bred in Gareton, just diwn the Speke Road from you and had my first pint in the Gay Cavalier pub and my second in the Matchworks club

I know you're not Irish mate. But, based on many of your previous posts, I have formed the opinion that you affiliate closer with our cousins across the pond than you do with being English. If I have that wrong I do apologise.

I never made it into the Gay Cavalier mate. I think it may have been knocked down before I was old enough to have a pint there. Did you live in the tenements?

 

[Barnfred 55]

Stop making a victim of yourself, Barney.

You posed a quedtion about the Republic re-joining the UK and were told pleasantly enough that it was a non starter.

I think your problem is you are a Brexiter and are buying into Johnson and the Daily Telegraph’s “blame the Paddies” trap.

Sorry mate but you have that 100% wrong. On all counts.

 

[Khalekan]

I know you're not Irish mate. But, based on many of your previous posts, I have formed the opinion that you affiliate closer with our cousins across the pond than you do with being English. If I have that wrong I do apologise.

I never made it into the Gay Cavalier mate. I think it may have been knocked down before I was old enough to have a pint there. Did you live in the tenements?

Oh I sure do.....no need to apologise.

I would never describe myself as English

And having been insulted for my Scouseness in every city and town in this country following the Blues in my away travelling days I never will.

Liverpool Irish.....that’s me, Barn

Both my maternal grand parents are from Belfast and my grandads hail from Donegal and Wexford respectively.

I have more Irish blood than any of these Micks wot posts on here

 

[Xizor]

Brexit wasn't about Ireland mate. Nobody I know voted to leave the EU because of the Irish.

Exactly the point, isn't it? Barely anybody who voted to leave even gave the Irish a second thought.

 

[roydo]

Exactly the point, isn't it? Barely anybody who voted to leave even gave the Irish a second thought.

I voted to Remain, and I didnt give the issue a single thought. I am sure some clever clogs will produce a tweet or sommet from 3 1/2 years ago to "prove" everyone was told about the potential problem, but I cant recall anything being discussed before the vote.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Exactly the point, isn't it? Barely anybody who voted to leave even gave the Irish a second thought.

And you ignore the rest of my post for what reason? Oh. It doesn't suit your agenda against me right?

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

I'm sorry mate but I disagree. There are elements of those posts that I feel, as a Brit, are anti British. For instance in a referendum 98% would vote no and 1% would be uncertain. And all Irish would be delighted if the country could be moved closer to France and away from the UK.

If I had posted similar about Ireland you would all have been all over me for being a racist.

Well the first sentence is merely stating facts and the reasons for those figures have been eloquently explained above.

As for the second sentence it is symbolic of the way that Ireland is now more closely aligned to the EU now especially given the current UK predicament. The fact is that many in Britain now would be delighted if the country could be moved further away from France and the rest of the continent. Not sure how racism comes into this at all.

 

[Ruairi77]

Brexit wasn't about Ireland mate. Nobody I know voted to leave the EU because of the Irish. And most people I know don't want the Irish to suffer.

I don't like talking about Brexit these days, but I've gone on record many times to say my answer to the backstop is to have an Ireland only one. That would ensure an orderly Brexit and could be extremely profitable for the NI province to boot.

but that's the thing. Thanks to the GFA, Brexit was, in large part, about Ireland.
I think the NI only backstop is a good solution. It would definitely give NI the economic relief/boost it deserves.
But, as mentioned on here before, what then happens with the Scots who would surely angle for the same status.
At any rate, the toothpaste is out of the tube now.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I voted to Remain, and I didnt give the issue a single thought. I am sure some clever clogs will produce a tweet or sommet from 3 1/2 years ago to "prove" everyone was told about the potential problem, but I cant recall anything being discussed before the vote.

Tbf it was discussed and brought up as a real issue by Remain, but it was dismissed as a nothing by the Brexiters.

Ironically May gave an accurate summation of exactly what the issue was and how it’d be virtually impossible to solve if we left.

 

[Ruairi77]

I'm sorry mate but I disagree. There are elements of those posts that I feel, as a Brit, are anti British. For instance in a referendum 98% would vote no and 1% would be uncertain. And all Irish would be delighted if the country could be moved closer to France and away from the UK.

If I had posted similar about Ireland you would all have been all over me for being a racist.

I'm in no way anti British but I would definitely vote against a united Ireland in the UK.
Not wanting to be part of the UK does not mean you dislike the UK.
It's kinda like asking the USA if they would like to be governed from London again. They're not anti British but no one would vote for that.

Edit: and the closer to France thing is clearly a joke that's based on the practical issues Brexit is going to cause for the connections between Ireland and mainland Europe.

 

[roydo]

Tbf it was discussed and brought up as a real issue by Remain, but it was dismissed as a nothing by the Brexiters.

Ironically May gave an accurate summation of exactly what the issue was and how it’d be virtually impossible to solve if we left.

It passed me by mate. That said, like millions, I had made my mind up pretty soon into the campaign. couldnt see what leaving meant.