Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[Khalekan]

...imagine how difficult it'd be too with that weapon Johnson in office for 5 years and a willing captive of the crazies of the Tory party.

I just cant envisage them getting a majority. There will be nowehere enough people motivated to walk into a polling booth to vote for 5 years of that lot.

Which is why Johnson is so desperate to have an Election before Brexit kicks in.

It is his only chance of getting a majority.

(and even at that, I don’t think he would get one if he went to the country tomorrow)

 

[Amw79]

People in this country, used to their right on time necessities/luxuries, would go berserk in a week in a no deal scenario, however well 'braced' for it by the Tories.

That's why Johnson wants it done post election.

Yeah, that’s what I toy with, and my intuition says you’re probably right. But the last 3 years have left me despondently thinking that there’s some out there who would just sit in the burning house, shouting “this is what we voted for”.

 

[Khalekan]

Yeah, that’s what I toy with, and my intuition says you’re probably right. But the last 3 years have left me despondently thinking that there’s some out there who would just sit in the burning house, shouting “this is what we voted for”.

Sadly I fear that is very true.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

...imagine how difficult it'd be too with that weapon Johnson in office for 5 years and a willing captive of the crazies of the Tory party.

I just cant envisage them getting a majority. There will be nowhere enough people motivated to walk into a polling booth to vote for 5 years of that lot.

Dave I hope you're right but I fear your blind spot is Corbyn. I just dont think you get the depth of feeling against likes of Corbyn, McDonnell. I assume from something you've posted previously that you live on Merseyside? If so trust me it is very different down here. I'm not even in the proper "south" but the Midlands and nothing like a traditional Tory heartland but blimey theres a massive hurdle to overcome for Labour.

 

[davek]

Dave I hope you're right but I fear your blind spot is Corbyn. I just dont think you get the depth of feeling against likes of Corbyn, McDonnell. I assume from something you've posted previously that you live on Merseyside? If so trust me it is very different down here. I'm not even in the proper "south" but the Midlands and nothing like a traditional Tory heartland but blimey theres a massive hurdle to overcome for Labour.

There's a massive hurdle to overcome for all parties. The people willing to venture an opinion publicly are those who are pro-Brexit; but dont underestimate the numbers cowed by them into not expressing their huge fears.

Also, wait until we're deep into an election campaign and see what happens when Brexit becomes another issue and not the only one.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Despite being a Nationalist from the ROI I actually don't think we could deal with a united Ireland

Our living standards down south are much higher

I don't see that at all. Prices and wages are higher south of the border and both are lower in the north, that's the main economic difference. The standard of living is similar either side.

The way things are going with Brexit, unification is soon going to be seen as a necessity to get us out of this mess rather than aspirational as provided for in the GFA. Better get used to the idea.

 

[thirdmantackle]

I don't see that at all. Prices and wages are higher south of the border and both are lower in the north, that's the main economic difference. The standard of living is similar either side.

The way things are going with Brexit, unification is soon going to be seen as a necessity to get us out of this mess rather than aspirational as provided for in the GFA. Better get used to the idea.

Prices will fly up over night in the north in event of reunification

I don't think the ROI can afford the huge investment that will be needed in the north's infrastructure deficit

 

[Tubey]

I don't see that at all. Prices and wages are higher south of the border and both are lower in the north, that's the main economic difference. The standard of living is similar either side.

The way things are going with Brexit, unification is soon going to be seen as a necessity to get us out of this mess rather than aspirational as provided for in the GFA. Better get used to the idea.

I personally can't see how Northern Ireland and Scotland will still be part of the UK 10 years from now.

 

[roydo]

I personally can't see how Northern Ireland and Scotland will still be part of the UK 10 years from now.

I cant see what the UK will look like in 10 weeks time Tubes, let alone 10 years. You never know, the EU might crash and burn as some predict/hope, or the Euro does the job for all but Germany and France. Maybe the ROI will want to join the UK as a result.

Sounds barmy I know, but it isnt completely out of the question. If the last few years have taught us anything, its that nothing is off limits.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Prices will fly up over night in the north in event of reunification

I don't think the ROI can afford the huge investment that will be needed in the north's infrastructure deficit

In the event of reunification, would you not expect the unionist paramilitary to kick off, in much the same way as the Nationalists would if there were a hard border enforced by Brexit?

If they did, do the ROI have the infrastructure and financial ability to cope with it?

 

[thirdmantackle]

In the event of reunification, would you not expect the unionist paramilitary to kick off, in much the same way as the Nationalists would if there were a hard border enforced by Brexit?

If they did, do the ROI have the infrastructure and financial ability to cope with it?

Well, their dole and pensions would go up over night so straight away they'd have money in their pockets.
And generally they'd have all the same rights as they would in the UK

It's hard to know with them

 

[Barnfred 55]

I cant see what the UK will look like in 10 weeks time Tubes, let alone 10 years. You never know, the EU might crash and burn as some predict/hope, or the Euro does the job for all but Germany and France. Maybe the ROI will want to join the UK as a result.

Sounds barmy I know, but it isnt completely out of the question. If the last few years have taught us anything, its that nothing is off limits.

Being half Irish, having lots of family over there, living so close to Ireland and having so many Irish colleagues and work associates over the years, I have always felt a much closer affinity to Ireland than I do to the rest of Europe. I don't consider a union of Great Britain and Ireland as impossible in the future. Unlikely but not impossible. It would certainly do a lot towards solving the problems in Northern Ireland as you could have a united Ireland that is part of a union.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Being half Irish, having lots of family over there, living so close to Ireland and having so many Irish colleagues and work associates over the years, I have always felt a much closer affinity to Ireland than I do to the rest of Europe. I don't consider a union of Great Britain and Ireland as impossible in the future. Unlikely but not impossible. It would certainly do a lot towards solving the problems in Northern Ireland as you could have a united Ireland that is part of a union.

It is.

 

[davek]

Being half Irish, having lots of family over there, living so close to Ireland and having so many Irish colleagues and work associates over the years, I have always felt a much closer affinity to Ireland than I do to the rest of Europe. I don't consider a union of Great Britain and Ireland as impossible in the future. Unlikely but not impossible. It would certainly do a lot towards solving the problems in Northern Ireland as you could have a united Ireland that is part of a union.

An act of union between those two countries - hasn't that been tried before?

 

[Barnfred 55]

It is.

Why?