Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[ART]

Higher in what way?

Taps fingers waiting on a reply.

 

[ilikecheese]

Soz for being lazy, but where are we here?

I haven't peeked at this thread in a while.

There are workable solutions, however, they would include immigrants...seemingly a wall right wingers won't give an inch on.

 

[tmgc]

Despite being a Nationalist from the ROI I actually don't think we could deal with a united Ireland

Our living standards down south are much higher

It would be worth it just to see Sammy Taches head explode.

 

[dublinbluenose]

Higher in what way?

We'll sell a cake to anyone

 

[Khalekan]

 

[Khalekan]

 

[davek]

IMO there is a very good reason Johnson was hellbent on having an Election before October 31st.

He desperately needed to have that election before Brexit if he was to hoover up enough Labour leavers to win a majority.

“Vote for me and we will get Brexit done”.

But if Brexit is already “done” by Election Day then why the heck would Labour leave voters want to re-elect the most hateful, mendacious, incompetent, right wing government in living memory?

That’s what I think anyway.

If I were running a campaign against Johnson I'd allow the crash out to happen then wait a few weeks for the folly of that to hit home with the population (long delays/shortages/general turmoil) and then call a vote of no confidence. Win the election and go back to the EU with another set of proposals for a deal.

 

[Amw79]

If I were running a campaign against Johnson I'd allow the crash out to happen then wait a few weeks for the folly of that to hit home with the population (long delays/shortages/general turmoil) and then call a vote of no confidence. Win the election and go back to the EU with another set of proposals for a deal.

I occasionally toy with this idea as the only way to get across the impact of no deal - i.e people won’t believe the house is on fire until they see the flames with their own eyes.

My concern on it, is 1) that those arguing for no deal, are now saying “we knew there was going to be short term pain” and all that nonsense, so are now brainwashed to accept the damage, and 2) it’s harsh on those businesses and people that will suffer in the short term.

I‘ve asked a number of Brexiters, what level of damage is acceptable in the event of no deal, what are they prepared to accept either economically, or in terms of public health etc, and have never had a decent answer.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

If I were running a campaign against Johnson I'd allow the crash out to happen then wait a few weeks for the folly of that to hit home with the population (long delays/shortages/general turmoil) and then call a vote of no confidence. Win the election and go back to the EU with another set of proposals for a deal.

Why would the EU make a deal after letting the UK leave with no deal? We have to get this right first time, sadly.

 

[Khalekan]

If I were running a campaign against Johnson I'd allow the crash out to happen then wait a few weeks for the folly of that to hit home with the population (long delays/shortages/general turmoil) and then call a vote of no confidence. Win the election and go back to the EU with another set of proposals for a deal.

Yes.

But for the fact my wife relies on a monthly supply of MS drugs that come from Germany and I know hundreds of thousands of our fellow countrymen are in the same boat for a range of drugs and illnesses, I would be very much in favour of such a scenario.

One would like to think the cold hard reality of the Kamikaze Brexit these buggers are so cavalier about delivering would spell electoral disaster for the Tories three months down the line as the people hardest hit by it wake up from the spell these chancers have had thenm under since 2016.

Unfortunately I cannot take that chance, for the reasons I pointed out in that first paragraph.

 

[davek]

I occasionally toy with this idea as the only way to get across the impact of no deal - i.e people won’t believe the house is on fire until they see the flames with their own eyes.

My concern on it, is 1) that those arguing for no deal, are now saying “we knew there was going to be short term pain” and all that nonsense, so are now brainwashed to accept the damage, and 2) it’s harsh on those businesses and people that will suffer in the short term.

I‘ve asked a number of Brexiters, what level of damage is acceptable in the event of no deal, what are they prepared to accept either economically, or in terms of public health etc, and have never had a decent answer.

People in this country, used to their right on time necessities/luxuries, would go berserk in a week in a no deal scenario, however well 'braced' for it by the Tories.

That's why Johnson wants it done post election.

 

[davek]

Why would the EU make a deal after letting the UK leave with no deal? We have to get this right first time, sadly.

...because they want a deal...and a deal will be done post Brexit in any case. It doesn't just end with no Brexit either.

 

[davek]

Yes.

But for the fact my wife relies on a monthly supply of MS drugs that come from Germany and I know hundreds of thousands of our fellow countrymen are in the same boat for a range of drugs and illnesses, I would be very much in favour of such a scenario.

One would like to think the cold hard reality of the Kamikaze Brexit these buggers are so cavalier about delivering would spell electoral disaster for the Tories three months down the line as the people hardest hit by it wake up from the spell these chancers have had thenm under since 2016.

Unfortunately I cannot take that chance, for the reasons I pointed out in that first paragraph.

Yes, that's understandable. In which case it's essential an election is won decisively by the anti-no deal parties, or it'll be no deal after an election and there'll be chaos.

 

[Khalekan]

...because they want a deal...and a deal will be done post Brexit in any case. It doesn't just end with no Brexit either.

Indeed.

There is no such thing as “no deal”.

Because we will need a “deal” to ensure we can export stuff to the EU and vice versa.

Everything so far has been about negotiating a “Withdrawal Agreement”.......the hard yards and the horse trading start only when that is in place.

The more you write this kind of stuff down the dafter this whole sorry saga appears.

 

[davek]

Indeed.

There is no such thing as “no deal”.

Because we will need a “deal” to ensure we can export stuff to the EU and vice versa.

Everything so far has been about negotiating a “Withdrawal Agreement”.......the hard yards and the horse trading start only when that is in place.

The more you write this kind of stuff down the dafter this whole sorry saga appears.

...imagine how difficult it'd be too with that weapon Johnson in office for 5 years and a willing captive of the crazies of the Tory party.

I just cant envisage them getting a majority. There will be nowhere enough people motivated to walk into a polling booth to vote for 5 years of that lot.