Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[sbbefc]

In my lifetime....

Douglas Home succeeded Macmillan

Callaghan succeeded Wilson

Major succeeded Thatcher

Brown succeeded Blair

May succeeded Cameron

....all without winning a GE beforehand


Rightly or wrongly, that is our system.

We vote for parties rather than leaders

Ergo if sommat happens mid term then party members will choose who is to lead their party and if he or she becomes PM on foot of that then be it so.

The first three examples were before my time so I cant comment on those, but I think the key difference here is that May and Brown just continued with the manifestos they were elected on. May held an election soon after getting the job anyway.

It was in the tories manifesto to leave the EU with a deal, the new leader surely needs a mandate to deviate from that election promise.

 

[ClausThomsen]

Also, generally, although people don't vote directly to elect a PM, they vote for that party knowing that they have some say in who might govern the country. When the party in charge changes leader mid term, the people have lost that control. Hardly the purest form of democracy, no matter how long it's been done that way.

Given the number of times that the role of PM has changed hands between elections then only people who are wilfully ignorant in these matters would consider this any sort of undemocratic exercise.

We vote for parliamentary representatives, they vote for a leader from among their elected number. I could be (very, very) wrong but only an elected MP can be PM can't they?

 

[Khalekan]

I think it is probably the same in every country.

If the President or Prime Minister resigned or died during the lifetime of the presidency or the parliament, no election would be called, a deputy or other party member would take charge.

For instance, the US constitution stipulates that in the event of POTUS ceasing to be CIC during his tenure, the Vice President steps in without an election.

LBJ taking over when JFK was murdered is one example of this.

Gerald Ford replacing Nixon after the latter resigned is another..

I might be wrong about this, but did not Bertie Ahern succeed Albert Reynolds in Ireland (26 of 32) during the lifetime of a Dail and without a GE?

And certainly Mr. Varadkar took over from Enda Kenny as Fine Gael leader and by extension Taoiseach a year or so after FG formed a coalition government in 2016.

Mr. Varadkar has not led his party to a General Election victory as far as I know.

 

[Khalekan]

Our friends in the Alternative Arrangements Commission (AAC) have published further “findings” and came up with another set of proposals to make the English imposed border in Ireland “frictionless”.

It includes this little gem.....


They include an idea that Ireland could leave the EU's food standards system and join the UK in a new system, albeit one which has the same rules as the EU.

MPs publish plans for Brexit backstop alternatives

Backstop alternative arrangements have been previously dismissed by NI business groups.

www.bbc.co.uk

The AAC makes the ALT over at RAWK almost seem sensible.

 

[peteblue]

I see that Varadkar and the ROI have finally woken up to the fact that they and their ports are not prepared for a no deal Brexit. Meanwhile I fully expect the resolute support of the 27 to disappear into smoke now that Boris is about to become PM and declare no deal. Perhaps some realism might just break into any negotiations.......

 

[Wizard]

I see that Varadkar and the ROI have finally woken up to the fact that they and their ports are not prepared for a no deal Brexit. Meanwhile I fully expect the resolute support of the 27 to disappear into smoke now that Boris is about to become PM and declare no deal. Perhaps some realism might just break into any negotiations.......

He can’t just declare “no deal”. No chance that gets through Parliament and they’ve voted today to block him being able to prorogue.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

I see that Varadkar and the ROI have finally woken up to the fact that they and their ports are not prepared for a no deal Brexit. Meanwhile I fully expect the resolute support of the 27 to disappear into smoke now that Boris is about to become PM and declare no deal. Perhaps some realism might just break into any negotiations.......

lol There's more chance of Rory McIlroy winning the Open.

 

[johnblue23]

I see that Varadkar and the ROI have finally woken up to the fact that they and their ports are not prepared for a no deal Brexit. Meanwhile I fully expect the resolute support of the 27 to disappear into smoke now that Boris is about to become PM and declare no deal. Perhaps some realism might just break into any negotiations.......

Really?

New €80 million Port of Cork container terminal will help secure Cork ...

Shipping groups boost Ireland-EU routes ahead of Brexit | Financial ...

 

[Khalekan]

I see that Varadkar and the ROI have finally woken up to the fact that they and their ports are not prepared for a no deal Brexit. Meanwhile I fully expect the resolute support of the 27 to disappear into smoke now that Boris is about to become PM and declare no deal. Perhaps some realism might just break into any negotiations.......

points @ Peter and lol

 

[Kurt.]

I see that Varadkar and the ROI have finally woken up to the fact that they and their ports are not prepared for a no deal Brexit. Meanwhile I fully expect the resolute support of the 27 to disappear into smoke now that Boris is about to become PM and declare no deal. Perhaps some realism might just break into any negotiations.......

Realism ..... oh the irony lol lol lol

 

[dublinbluenose]

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Sammy Tache has completely lost it...

"It is the Irish Government who are pushing for the Belfast Agreement to be torn up, the principle of consent to be cast aside and for a border to be placed between Northern Ireland and Britain, the country to which we belong."

lol lol lol

Wilson accuses Govt of pushing for GFA to be torn up

The DUP's Brexit spokesperson Sammy Wilson has accused the Irish Government of pushing for the Good Friday Agreement to be torn up.

www.rte.ie

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Sammy Tache has completely lost it...

"It is the Irish Government who are pushing for the Belfast Agreement to be torn up, the principle of consent to be cast aside and for a border to be placed between Northern Ireland and Britain, the country to which we belong."

lol lol lol

Wilson accuses Govt of pushing for GFA to be torn up

The DUP's Brexit spokesperson Sammy Wilson has accused the Irish Government of pushing for the Good Friday Agreement to be torn up.

www.rte.ie

He really doesn’t look a well man in that photo- perhaps the consequences of a No Deal Brexit has started to dawn on him?

 

[Taifi gorm]

He really doesn’t look a well man in that photo- perhaps the consequences of a No Deal Brexit has started to dawn on him?

Let's be honest it's not his worst look ever. After all clothing is optional with that particular gammon.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Let's be honest it's not his worst look ever. After all clothing is optional with that particular gammon.

You brute! I had been able to erase the incident from my memory!