Agree with all of that Khal. This move will drag the DUP into the modern era without their leaders having to actually do anything to facilitate the change.
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Bleak to say the least
It would be equivalent to 1.4m job losses in the UK.
It would be equivalent to 1.4m job losses in the UK.
johnblue23
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A progressive, united Ireland seems more likely than ever – thanks to the DUP
support for Irish reunification
The independent poll of 1,199 people was commissioned by the campaign group Our Future Our Choice Northern Ireland (OFOCNI), which is calling for a People's Vote on the Government's final Brexit deal.
The group also claims the poll reveals widespread dissatisfaction at how the DUP is handling Brexit and calls for Sinn Fein to back a Belfast City Council vote tonight in favour of a People's Vote.
Over half (52%) said they would vote for a united Ireland after Brexit, with 39% wishing to stay part of the UK.
In the event of Brexit with a hard border, 56% favoured a united Ireland, with 40% choosing to stay in the UK.
Should the UK somehow remain in the EU, the poll found that more than half (52%) would want to stay in the UK, with just 35% supporting a united Ireland.
support for Irish reunification
The independent poll of 1,199 people was commissioned by the campaign group Our Future Our Choice Northern Ireland (OFOCNI), which is calling for a People's Vote on the Government's final Brexit deal.
The group also claims the poll reveals widespread dissatisfaction at how the DUP is handling Brexit and calls for Sinn Fein to back a Belfast City Council vote tonight in favour of a People's Vote.
Over half (52%) said they would vote for a united Ireland after Brexit, with 39% wishing to stay part of the UK.
In the event of Brexit with a hard border, 56% favoured a united Ireland, with 40% choosing to stay in the UK.
Should the UK somehow remain in the EU, the poll found that more than half (52%) would want to stay in the UK, with just 35% supporting a united Ireland.
Carl O'Ancelotti
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I'm not sure the future of the political process is quite as bleak as you have envisaged. Unionism has made no concessions here. These are fundamental human rights and the DUP will be reminded of that should this legislation pass. It doesn't change anything really; there is still a requirement for an Irish Language Act for the reasons you have eloquently stated. This won't affect SF's position at all IMO.
Anyway we'll see how it pans out. Brexit is still the major blockage of any progress, so until that is sorted out they may as well let people have marriage equality if they so desire.
johnblue23
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I'm confused/ In the Good Friday Agreement/Belfast Agreement it mentions the Irish language;
RIGHTS, SAFEGUARDS AND EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY Economic, Social and Cultural Issues
1. Pending the devolution of powers to a new Northern Ireland Assembly, the British Government will pursue broad policies for sustained economic growth and stability in Northern Ireland and for promoting social inclusion, including in particular community development and the advancement of women in public life.
2. Subject to the public consultation currently under way, the British Government will make rapid progress with:
(i) a new regional development strategy for Northern Ireland, for consideration in due course by a the Assembly, tackling the problems of a divided society and social cohesion in urban, rural and border areas, protecting and enhancing the environment, producing new approaches to transport issues, strengthening the physical infrastructure of the region, developing the advantages and resources of rural areas and rejuvenating major urban centres;
(ii) a new economic development strategy for Northern Ireland, for consideration in due course by a the Assembly, which would provide for short and medium term economic planning linked as appropriate to the regional development strategy; and
(iii) measures on employment equality included in the recent White Paper ("Partnership for Equality") and covering the extension and strengthening of anti-discrimination legislation, a review of the national security aspects of the present fair employment legislation at the earliest possible time, a new more focused Targeting Social Need initiative and a range of measures aimed at combating unemployment and progressively eliminating the differential in unemployment rates between the two communities by targeting objective need.
3. All participants recognise the importance of respect, understanding and tolerance in relation to linguistic diversity, including in Northern Ireland, the Irish language, Ulster-Scots and the languages of the various ethnic communities, all of which are part of the cultural wealth of the island of Ireland
. 4. In the context of active consideration currently being given to the UK signing the Council of Europe Charter for Regional or Minority Languages, the British Government will in particular in relation to the Irish language, where appropriate and where people so desire it:
• take resolute action to promote the language;
• facilitate and encourage the use of the language in speech and writing in public and private life where there is appropriate demand;
• seek to remove, where possible, restrictions which would discourage or work against the maintenance or development of the language;
• make provision for liaising with the Irish language community, representing their views to public authorities and investigating complaints;
• place a statutory duty on the Department of Education to encourage and facilitate Irish medium education in line with current provision for integrated education;
• explore urgently with the relevant British authorities, and in co-operation with the Irish broadcasting authorities, the scope for achieving more widespread availability of Teilifis na Gaeilige in Northern Ireland;
• seek more effective ways to encourage and provide financial support for Irish language film and television production in Northern Ireland; and
• encourage the parties to secure agreement that this commitment will be sustained by a new Assembly in a way which takes account of the desires and sensitivities of the community.
5. All participants acknowledge the sensitivity of the use of symbols and emblems for public purposes, and the need in particular in creating the new institutions to ensure that such symbols and emblems are used in a manner which promotes mutual respect rather than division. Arrangements will be made to monitor this issue and consider what action might be required.
If the Irish language isn't promoted does that mean the UK government is in breach of the Good Friday/Belfast Agreement? Goes it also mean that Nortern Irish Assembly id in breach of the Agreement
hey Pete, your 'have a crack at the Micks' plan seems to be gaining traction 
hey Pete, your 'have a crack at the Micks' plan seems to be gaining traction
Who is that?
Carl O'Ancelotti
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hey Pete, your 'have a crack at the Micks' plan seems to be gaining traction
He's living in cloud cuckoo land. The government will be sticking to their position that there will be no bilateral negotiations with the UK on Brexit, and that all dialogue will be continue between the EU 27 and the UK government only.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Then the ROI government will reap what they sow........and when the Mercosur deal is rubber stamped by the EU that will just put the cherry on the cake......
You want to negotiate directly with the Irish government?
Should the Scottish government be allowed negotiate directly with the EU?
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Who is affected by the border ?.....
hey Pete, your 'have a crack at the Micks' plan seems to be gaining traction
It’s a wonder he didn’t go the whole hog and advocate gunboats sailing up t’ Liffey and threatening to bombard Leinster House.
Honestly chaps, as a fellow born and bred in England.....well, the People’s Republic of Liverpool at any rate lol.....I apologise to our Irish friends for the absolute balderdash a certain type of Englishman is still capable of spouting toward people of a friendly nation.
Do yourselves a favour....have that Referendum and get shot of Brexitannia in all it’s toxicity.
I only wish the City of Liverpool would declare UDI
Ireland and the UK
But Scotland voted to remain in the EU, should they negotiate on their own or as a bloc with the rest of the UK?
Bluerover
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The impact of a hard border for all of Ireland has been set out in earlier posts as assessed by independent economic experts.
I must say I am very surprised by the poll that indicates a majority in the North for unity.
I honestly would have said that won't happen in my lifetime- mid 50s - but really what London is hell-bent on doing defies logic on all sorts of levels. Scotland and NI should not be dragged along with this lemming approach. Wales?? I really don't understand how they voted.
In my job I have to endure EU bureaucracy which can be frustrating but I also appreciate the huge benefits that citizens, businesses and Member States enjoy from the imperfect union that is the EU.
I am not sure that we in the Republic are in a frame of mind to plan for unity and we certainly do not want a rump of disaffected and violent loyalists as fellow citizens. We have enough criminals to deal with!
Ideally yes, the island of Ireland should be United. A lot of work to do however in order for that to happen without further loss of lives.
I must say I am very surprised by the poll that indicates a majority in the North for unity.
I honestly would have said that won't happen in my lifetime- mid 50s - but really what London is hell-bent on doing defies logic on all sorts of levels. Scotland and NI should not be dragged along with this lemming approach. Wales?? I really don't understand how they voted.
In my job I have to endure EU bureaucracy which can be frustrating but I also appreciate the huge benefits that citizens, businesses and Member States enjoy from the imperfect union that is the EU.
I am not sure that we in the Republic are in a frame of mind to plan for unity and we certainly do not want a rump of disaffected and violent loyalists as fellow citizens. We have enough criminals to deal with!
Ideally yes, the island of Ireland should be United. A lot of work to do however in order for that to happen without further loss of lives.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
So if Ireland and the U.K. are the ones affected by the border, and if they both happened to agree a way forward, you would be happy for Slovenia ,Slovakia or Cyprus on behalf of the EU to veto a deal would you......
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