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There was an excellent piece today by Tony Connelly on the disastrous consequences of a no deal Brexit on the NI economy and the resultant threat to the peace process.


It's a long read so the following is a short extract from it:

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What would No Deal mean for Northern Ireland in basic terms?

If Boris Johnson, presuming he is the new prime minister, makes good on his promise to leave with or without a deal on 1 November, the UK will become a third country. In theory, tariffs and restrictions will apply on Northern Ireland goods entering the EU across the land border. The UK has said, however, that it would temporarily not apply tariffs on goods coming in from the Republic.

Given the peculiar make up of the North’s economy, structured as it is around the SME and agri-food sector, and the very tight supply chains that embrace not just the Irish Republic but Great Britain as well, the effects could be devastating. "Northern Ireland is largely an SME driven economy," says one source. "We have 9,700 businesses and 8,700 of those are very small operations that rely on cross-border trade."

Food industry sources depict a perfect storm: tightly integrated, just-in-time food supply chains broken within weeks, millions of litres of milk being stranded, Northern traders being priced out of the GB market if cheaper South American meat starts to roll in, EU products being channelled through Dublin Port and into Great Britain via Belfast in order to avoid UK tariffs, traffic congestion disrupting the narrow delivery window for Northern Irish suppliers to UK supermarkets and so on.

None of this includes the disruption to cross-border services, a much higher value trade flow, including all-island legal and financial services. "In the absence of the backstop you will have the complete collapse in the exchange of data north and south, the inability to recognise mutual professional qualifications," cautions one official. "Everyone is looking at the wrong thing here."

One senior official has described the scenario as akin to a "blockade" of the Northern economy.

This cannot be dismissed as industry scaremongering. On 5 March David Sterling, the head of the Northern Ireland Civil Service, wrote to political parties warning that disruption would be "severe". The economic and social effects would be "profound and lasting".

The SME and agri-food sectors, especially those operating along the border, would be particularly vulnerable. EU customs and single market regulations would have "very serious effects" on any company selling goods to or through the South. Some patterns of trade would become "uneconomic immediately".

"In effect," Mr Sterling warned, "there is currently no mitigation available for the severe consequences of No Deal."

On 1 April, the cabinet secretary Mark Sedwill told ministers that Northern Ireland would face "more severe" consequences.

"The current powers granted to the Northern Irish Secretary would not be adequate for the pace, breadth or controversy of the decisions needed to be taken through a No Deal exit," he wrote in a leaked letter to Cabinet.

"Therefore we would have to introduce Direct Rule."

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So in pursuit of their Brexit dream the next Tory PM seems to be prepared to wreck the economy of one part of the UK, destabilise the economy of the rest of Ireland, undo the terms of the Good Friday Agreement, and seriously jeoparise the hard won peace which has prevailed for the last 20 years.

If any of this happens the Brexiteers and the UK government will never be forgiven. They need to think long and hard before going any further with this madness.
 
In a No Deal scenario, SMEs operating in NI will be given an exclusion to trade freely Southern Ireland for agri-food products.

There’ll be no tariffs placed on those goods coming back into NI
 
In a No Deal scenario, SMEs operating in NI will be given an exclusion to trade freely Southern Ireland for agri-food products.

There’ll be no tariffs placed on those goods coming back into NI
But there would be no exemption for products going the other way. As stated in the article, EU customs and single market regulations would have "very serious effects" on any company selling goods to or through the South.

Also, no tariffs on goods going into the UK through NI would mean EU products being channeled through Dublin Port and into Great Britain via Belfast in order to avoid UK tariffs.

It would be chaotic whichever way you look at it.
 
But there would be no exemption for products going the other way. As stated in the article, EU customs and single market regulations would have "very serious effects" on any company selling goods to or through the South.

Also, no tariffs on goods going into the UK through NI would mean EU products being channeled through Dublin Port and into Great Britain via Belfast in order to avoid UK tariffs.

It would be chaotic whichever way you look at it.

It seems that the exemption will apply both ways for SME’s, that’s what was brought up in the meeting I attended. However, the questions we raised was how are they going to determine what an SME, it’ll leave quit a gaping hole for big companies to exploit this.

It seems strange but border officials in France have also “agreed” with HMRC that certain products may move freely across the border. I think I mentioned this following my first teleconference a week last Thursday. There’s going to be law, then there’s going to be what’s practical for the countries involved in enforcing this.

I mean in all honesty it goes on now. Rotterdam port is not subject to the same scrutiny as Port of Liverpool because the EU know that the flow of trade is far to big. Having seen the checks being conducted personally in Holland I can attest to how they evade large parts of the regulations they’re supposed to enforce

There is a lot of double standards throughout the implementation of law in the EU and it’s something I dislike.
 
Not border/Brexit related but some good news as we prepare for the Festival of Hate this weekend:

The Westminster parliament have overwhelmingly approved a motion that the UK government should legislate for marriage equality and abortion in NI if the Executive isn't restored by October.

Needless to say the evangelical DUP are absolutely fuming. lol
 
Not border/Brexit related but some good news as we prepare for the Festival of Hate this weekend:

The Westminster parliament have overwhelmingly approved a motion that the UK government should legislate for marriage equality and abortion in NI if the Executive isn't restored by October.

Needless to say the evangelical DUP are absolutely fuming. lol
 
There was an excellent piece today by Tony Connelly on the disastrous consequences of a no deal Brexit on the NI economy and the resultant threat to the peace process.


It's a long read so the following is a short extract from it:

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What would No Deal mean for Northern Ireland in basic terms?

If Boris Johnson, presuming he is the new prime minister, makes good on his promise to leave with or without a deal on 1 November, the UK will become a third country. In theory, tariffs and restrictions will apply on Northern Ireland goods entering the EU across the land border. The UK has said, however, that it would temporarily not apply tariffs on goods coming in from the Republic.

Given the peculiar make up of the North’s economy, structured as it is around the SME and agri-food sector, and the very tight supply chains that embrace not just the Irish Republic but Great Britain as well, the effects could be devastating. "Northern Ireland is largely an SME driven economy," says one source. "We have 9,700 businesses and 8,700 of those are very small operations that rely on cross-border trade."

Food industry sources depict a perfect storm: tightly integrated, just-in-time food supply chains broken within weeks, millions of litres of milk being stranded, Northern traders being priced out of the GB market if cheaper South American meat starts to roll in, EU products being channelled through Dublin Port and into Great Britain via Belfast in order to avoid UK tariffs, traffic congestion disrupting the narrow delivery window for Northern Irish suppliers to UK supermarkets and so on.

None of this includes the disruption to cross-border services, a much higher value trade flow, including all-island legal and financial services. "In the absence of the backstop you will have the complete collapse in the exchange of data north and south, the inability to recognise mutual professional qualifications," cautions one official. "Everyone is looking at the wrong thing here."

One senior official has described the scenario as akin to a "blockade" of the Northern economy.

This cannot be dismissed as industry scaremongering. On 5 March David Sterling, the head of the Northern Ireland Civil Service, wrote to political parties warning that disruption would be "severe". The economic and social effects would be "profound and lasting".

The SME and agri-food sectors, especially those operating along the border, would be particularly vulnerable. EU customs and single market regulations would have "very serious effects" on any company selling goods to or through the South. Some patterns of trade would become "uneconomic immediately".

"In effect," Mr Sterling warned, "there is currently no mitigation available for the severe consequences of No Deal."

On 1 April, the cabinet secretary Mark Sedwill told ministers that Northern Ireland would face "more severe" consequences.

"The current powers granted to the Northern Irish Secretary would not be adequate for the pace, breadth or controversy of the decisions needed to be taken through a No Deal exit," he wrote in a leaked letter to Cabinet.

"Therefore we would have to introduce Direct Rule."

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So in pursuit of their Brexit dream the next Tory PM seems to be prepared to wreck the economy of one part of the UK, destabilise the economy of the rest of Ireland, undo the terms of the Good Friday Agreement, and seriously jeoparise the hard won peace which has prevailed for the last 20 years.

If any of this happens the Brexiteers and the UK government will never be forgiven. They need to think long and hard before going any further with this madness.

No mention of the effect on the ROI then....no probs....meanwhile the U.K. can use the money, if it’s ever repaid, that we bailed the ROI out with on NI. I’m sure the EU will do the same for the ROI........
 
No mention of the effect on the ROI then....no probs....meanwhile the U.K. can use the money, if it’s ever repaid, that we bailed the ROI out with on NI. I’m sure the EU will do the same for the ROI........
No, because it was an article solely about the effects of Brexit on NI. Try to keep up.

We already know about the 50,000 job losses and €5bn that Brexit would cost the Irish economy.

You can keep trying to divide us a much as you possibly can if if helps feed your narrow minded nationalism but it won't work; Ireland north and south is at one on this issue.
 
Not border/Brexit related but some good news as we prepare for the Festival of Hate this weekend:

The Westminster parliament have overwhelmingly approved a motion that the UK government should legislate for marriage equality and abortion in NI if the Executive isn't restored by October.

Needless to say the evangelical DUP are absolutely fuming. lol


I am not so sure about the DUP being “fuming”, Mark.....despite their public utterances.

Now they can say to the God bothering wing of the Party that it was forced on them.......”nowt to do with us, guv”.

In truth this ruling has let them off the hook said God bothering wing had them impaled on......NI was going to have to modernise its legislation on those two issues sooner rather than later and the DUP can paint itself as being helpless bystanders as a higher power forced it on them.

So you can bet your life the NI Assembly will not return before October 21st.....the DUP will want this new legislation in place before they might have to pass it in Belfast.

It is also bad news for Irish language activists IMO.

Because now the DUP will be desperate for the “victory” over the Fenians they see the denial of the ILA as being.

They can live with what happened today....the ILA is much juicier meat for Sammy Tache and his mates and they will sink their teeth into it.

They were two easy targets that Conor McGinn and Stella Creasey picked today......they were always going to win and win big.

Let’s see them do the hard yards now and put an Irish Language Act on the Westminster agenda.

Irish speaking people in Ulster (6 of 9) are being denied the same rights, by the same DUP culprits, as native speakers in Scotland and Wales enjoy under legislation passed by their own regional Assemblies.

And that needs changing.
 
I am not so sure about the DUP being “fuming”, Mark.....despite their public utterances.

Now they can say to the God bothering wing of the Party that it was forced on them.......”nowt to do with us, guv”.

In truth this ruling has let them off the hook said God bothering wing had them impaled on......NI was going to have to modernise its legislation on those two issues sooner rather than later and the DUP can paint itself as being helpless bystanders as a higher power forced it on them.

So you can bet your life the NI Assembly will not return before October 21st.....the DUP will want this new legislation in place before they might have to pass it in Belfast.

It is also bad news for Irish language activists IMO.

Because now the DUP will be desperate for the “victory” over the Fenians they see the denial of the ILA as being.

They can live with what happened today....the ILA is much juicier meat for Sammy Tache and his mates and they will sink their teeth into it.

They were two easy targets that Conor McGinn and Stella Creasey picked today......they were always going to win and win big.

Let’s see them do the hard yards now and put an Irish Language Act on the Westminster agenda.

Irish speaking people in Ulster (6 of 9) are being denied the same rights, by the same DUP culprits, as native speakers in Scotland and Wales enjoy under legislation passed by their own regional Assemblies.

And that needs changing.
Interesting point K. I was going by their reaction in the HOC yesterday in which Doddsy et al seemed to be apoplectic that they were being bypassed with regard to the governance of Their Wee Country. We'll see what happens.
 
Interesting point K. I was going by their reaction in the HOC yesterday in which Doddsy et al seemed to be apoplectic that they were being bypassed with regard to the governance of Their Wee Country. We'll see what happens.


Here’s what I see happening, Mark.

The DUP have been lifted off two gigantic hooks on which they had been hoist.

They will spin this as Unionism “once again” making “concessions” to Republicans (even though Sinn Fein had nowt to do with yesterday’s votes and that people in both communities will welcome these new options open to to their kifh, kin and friends).

And their usual enablers in the British government such as the soon to appointed latest nonentity to the SOS post in NI, by the very pro northern unionist Irish media in Dublin and the FG pub bores in Dublin 4 will bombard us with sympathetic speeches and articles asking for a “reciprocal” gesture from the “other side” even though the DUP had no hand in delivering these reforms.

Those calling for an ILA will now be cast as the ones blocking the restoration of devolution.

They will be denounced as immature or sectarian for calling for it.

They'll be blamed for every business that closes, every job that's lost, every cut to schools and hospitals budgets due to Stormont’s continued paralysis.

It will be such a relief to them that Sinn Fein can be once again put up as the Aunt Sally for Kevin Myers, Eoghan Harris, Ruth Dudley Edwards and the rest of the Dublin revisionist mob to chuck wooden balls at.

It'll be very unfair of course but that's what's going to happen IMO.
 
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