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You are clutching at straws Pete.
Personally I see you as an invaluable poster on this Everton forum.
But I see you as someone who has lost the run of themselves as Westminster struggles in their damage limitations excercise.
No matter how you sell it as a better future or Ireland skipping into a recession ‘
the fact remains that Westminster has lost control of this.
You ‘mention how your Brexit will cause our recession’
Really?? That’ll make big news in my local shop. Britain causes hardship in NI due to a descion in London. Same as ever then.
Gerry Adams shakes your hand for your vote. Brexit is most energising votes since the hunger strikes.
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peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
You will get no arguments off me regarding Westminster losing control, and I’ve said so in many threads. But even if there is a No Deal, there should not be a recession in NI. South of the border may be a different story however, which is what I’ve been referring to all along. No matter what happens, I believe the rest of Britain will willingly support NI financially and politically as we go through Brexit. As regards Gerry Adams, well if you all wish to be part of the ROI then be my guest, I’ve always said that it’s up to the people of NI......
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Carl O'Ancelotti
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Border Communties against Brexit say the local community will not tolerate a hard border. As the Brexit deadline looms, they want to highlight how it could detrimentally impact on the region. Demonstrator Tom Murray, from Co Donegal, said it is British Prime Minister Theresa May's responsibility to sort out the issue.
"We will not accept this border, we demand that London sort out the problem that they created," he said. It is more than 20 years since the 1998 Good Friday Agreement which largely ended decades of violence. Mr Murray added: "All the peace and prosperity that we have enjoyed will be destroyed by a hard border. "Communities could be dragged back into the old days of living in the shadow of someone else's border. "We are the people who will suffer the most."
Are you listening Brexiteers ?
It's funny that SF are prominent in that photo
They've been stirring up way too much agro about a united Ireland
They need to remind themselves of the long game
They've been stirring up way too much agro about a united Ireland
They need to remind themselves of the long game
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Not sure that’s an accurate realistic financial forcast mate. The ROI economy is the fasted growing in Europe. The projection is for the economy to grow another 4.5%this year. The impact of a hard Brexit would see the economy grow by only 1.5%. I’m a pragmatist and I would acknowledge a hard brexit would slow the Irish economy in adjustment temporarily, but not to any real long term detrimental effect or recession. It’s not ideal but it’s bump in the road adjustment stuff that any other country would go through if there nearest neighbor changed their ability to trade.
Britain make up only about 13% of our exports there days and while trading with U.K. will be more prohibitive, it’s only a irritance and a small part of our exports and progressively so. The below are Ireland’s main trading partners Imports/exports cumulatively as a percentage of trade. We will by more then fine, given the U.K. only accounts for 13.5% of our trade, it’s not like that trade is going away it’s just more prohibitive and bueratic and it’s only a small fraction really. Brexit Economically for Ireland is like an annoying fly that just needs to swatted, over an adjustment period.
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Not sure that’s an accurate realistic financial forcast mate. The ROI economy is the fasted growing in Europe. The projection is for the economy to grow another 4.5%this year. The impact of a hard Brexit would see the economy grow by only 1.5%. I’m a pragmatist and I would acknowledge a hard brexit would slow the Irish economy in adjustment temporarily, but not to any real long term detrimental effect or recession. It’s not ideal but it’s bump in the road adjustment stuff that any other country would go through if there nearest neighbor changed their ability to trade.
Britain make up only about 13% of our exports there days and while trading with U.K. will be more prohibitive, it’s only a irritance and a small part of our exports and progressively so. The below are Ireland’s main trading partners Imports/exports cumulatively as a percentage of trade. We will by more then fine, given the U.K. only accounts for 13.5% of our trade, it’s not like that trade is going away it’s just more prohibitive and bueratic and it’s only a small fraction really. Brexit Economically for Ireland is like an annoying fly that just needs to swatted, over an adjustment period.
- United States: US$36.1 billion (26.8% of total Irish exports)
- United Kingdom: $18.3 billion (13.5%)
- Belgium: $15 billion (11.1%)
- Germany: $10.8 billion (8%)
- Switzerland: $7 billion (5.2%)
- Netherlands: $6.7 billion (4.9%)
- France: $5.9 billion (4.3%)
- China: $4.8 billion (3.6%)
- Italy: $2.9 billion (2.2%)
- Spain: $2.9 billion (2.1%)
- Japan: $2.5 billion (1.9%)
- Mexico: $1.6 billion (1.2%)
- Poland: $1.5 billion (1.1%)
- Canada: $1.2 billion (0.9%)
- Australia: $1 billion (0.7%)
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peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
You may be right. But to trade with Germany and co, goods have to both enter and then leave the U.K. to get to their destination, so it is imperative that we get the processes right.....
Ron Swanson
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So NOW you're getting it. Remember when I pointed out the issues of NI food passing via dublin?
Carl O'Ancelotti
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Another warning today about the consequences of a return to the border from someone who knows more than a bit about the situation. No doubt it will be scoffed at by Brexiteers and dismissed as Project Fear...
The former chief constable of the Police Service of Northern Ireland has warned that the return of a hard border in the North risks a resumption of violence in the area. Speaking on RTÉ's This Week, Hugh Orde said recreating a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic would have "huge consequences in terms of security" and police and customs officers "would become a target". Mr Orde said he could see no way to avoid a hard border if Britain exits the EU without a deal. "There is no way that I can see to have a soft border unless you have equality in terms of customs and freedom of movement."
He said it would not be possible to put cameras or technology on the border without police, or some other form of security to protect them.
"There's nowhere to my knowledge in the world where a purely technological solution to the issue of a border has been achieved. You can do a certain amount with technology but you still need an element of policing to deal with determined criminals and people who take advantage of a privileged status.
"There would have to be some form of customs presence and of course there are huge consequences to that in the context of Northern Ireland and the Republic."
He said a physical barrier would be unavoidable if there was to be a hard Brexit. "In my judgement you would have to see some form of physical barrier like exists in many parts of the world where international barriers are a routine part of everyday policing and security. "History tells us that [borders] are by definition targets. As soon as you have a fixed point. To recreate a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic would have huge consequences in terms of security, and by definition it should be foreseeable that those people would be at risk, they would be a target, or would become a target."
Asked if dissidents would view a hard border as an opportunity for them to mount further attacks, he said: "At the moment you see anything that starts to create the perception of a hard distinction between North and South, it creates a catalyst that allows people to exploit that position and certainly dissident republicans would be in that category. "Worryingly we saw a car bomb only last week in Derry and that is a statement that things are going to get more difficult, not less. A hard border, if I was the chief of Northern Ireland's police force, would worry me greatly," he said.
Asked about the return of soldiers to the border, Mr Orde said the reintroduction of troops should only be used "as a last resort" and only if the civilian law enforcement agencies did not feel they were capable of securing those positions safely for the people working there. Mr Orde said politicians had not paid enough attention to the potential for a return to violence if there is a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic. He said: "People seem to have their head stuck in the mud hoping it will all go away and certainly it won't and it hasn't."
The former chief constable of the Police Service of Northern Ireland has warned that the return of a hard border in the North risks a resumption of violence in the area. Speaking on RTÉ's This Week, Hugh Orde said recreating a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic would have "huge consequences in terms of security" and police and customs officers "would become a target". Mr Orde said he could see no way to avoid a hard border if Britain exits the EU without a deal. "There is no way that I can see to have a soft border unless you have equality in terms of customs and freedom of movement."
He said it would not be possible to put cameras or technology on the border without police, or some other form of security to protect them.
"There's nowhere to my knowledge in the world where a purely technological solution to the issue of a border has been achieved. You can do a certain amount with technology but you still need an element of policing to deal with determined criminals and people who take advantage of a privileged status.
"There would have to be some form of customs presence and of course there are huge consequences to that in the context of Northern Ireland and the Republic."
He said a physical barrier would be unavoidable if there was to be a hard Brexit. "In my judgement you would have to see some form of physical barrier like exists in many parts of the world where international barriers are a routine part of everyday policing and security. "History tells us that [borders] are by definition targets. As soon as you have a fixed point. To recreate a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic would have huge consequences in terms of security, and by definition it should be foreseeable that those people would be at risk, they would be a target, or would become a target."
Asked if dissidents would view a hard border as an opportunity for them to mount further attacks, he said: "At the moment you see anything that starts to create the perception of a hard distinction between North and South, it creates a catalyst that allows people to exploit that position and certainly dissident republicans would be in that category. "Worryingly we saw a car bomb only last week in Derry and that is a statement that things are going to get more difficult, not less. A hard border, if I was the chief of Northern Ireland's police force, would worry me greatly," he said.
Asked about the return of soldiers to the border, Mr Orde said the reintroduction of troops should only be used "as a last resort" and only if the civilian law enforcement agencies did not feel they were capable of securing those positions safely for the people working there. Mr Orde said politicians had not paid enough attention to the potential for a return to violence if there is a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic. He said: "People seem to have their head stuck in the mud hoping it will all go away and certainly it won't and it hasn't."
summerisle
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Stop it, Mark.
You can’t go around quoting people who understand the nature of life in Crossmaglen, Aughnacloy, Belcoo, Strabane and Derry on here.
Even if he was the Chief of Police overseeing security in the region.
The north of Ireland is no different from the north of England, remember
The EU proposed a way around the irish border article 24 which has been forgotton and dismissed by our parliment -
https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/region_e/region_art24_e.htm
https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/region_e/region_art24_e.htm
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I got it right from the beginning, as suggested about two years ago that the processes for easy transit and movement were put in place.....
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I am also concerned that two countries and six million people are being led by the nose by what 40-100 republicans may do, or have we just given in to terrorism.....
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
It’s everyone’s fault except SF. The whole of the EU is being held to ransom by the potential violence they may reintroduce, but let’s ignore that.....
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