Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[peteblue]

Pathetic response. Ireland is an independent country, as are the other 26 member countries of the EU. Britain makes it's own laws in Parliament. In fact, name me five laws that the EU has imposed on Britain. Thank you in advance.

Ireland will shortly have its tax policies dictated to by Brussels. Ireland will be forced to join the EU army, Ireland has to follow the monetary policies of the European Bank and Brussels. Ireland has an EU passport. Ireland has its trade arrangements negotiated by Brussels. Ireland has its laws created in Brussels. You are less independent than when you were the IFS.....you just refuse to see it.......

 

[peteblue]

So he now claims you are not good at debating and that I "sure can't argue a point".

This is what happens when you argue with a WUM, particularly one that is drunk. They get personal when you refuse to engage in a slagging match with them.

Its probably best to stop feeding this troll.

That’s the way, call someone, drunk, a wum and a troll, while claiming they are getting personal, irony eh.....

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

Ireland will shortly have its tax policies dictated to by Brussels. Ireland will be forced to join the EU army, Ireland has to follow the monetary policies of the European Bank and Brussels. Ireland has an EU passport. Ireland has its trade arrangements negotiated by Brussels. Ireland has its laws created in Brussels. You are less independent than when you were the IFS.....you just refuse to see it.......

I will repeat the question, which you have just totally ignored. Name me five laws that the EU has imposed on Britain. Once again, thank you in advance.

 

[peteblue]

I will repeat the question, which you have just totally ignored. Name me five laws that the EU has imposed on Britain. Once again, thank you in advance.

Fishing
Working time directive
Child benefit for migrant workers
Vat on energy bills
Diabetic Motorists
Efficient electrical use for Vacuum cleaners

Sorry that was six, you only asked for five so I’ll stop.....

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

Ireland will shortly have its tax policies dictated to by Brussels. Ireland will be forced to join the EU army, Ireland has to follow the monetary policies of the European Bank and Brussels. Ireland has an EU passport. Ireland has its trade arrangements negotiated by Brussels. Ireland has its laws created in Brussels. You are less independent than when you were the IFS.....you just refuse to see it.......

Pete, I'm intrigued by the 'fact' that Irish nationals have 'an EU passport'. It is a passport that specifically identifies the holder as an Irish national, no? My British passport certainly identifies me as British. Can you show me an example of a passport identifying a person as an EU national in the nationality part of the details page of an Irish passport? Thanks in advance.

Laughable.

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

Fishing
Working time directive
Child benefit for migrant workers
Vat on energy bills
Diabetic Motorists
Efficient electrical use for Vacuum cleaners

Sorry that was six, you only asked for five so I’ll stop.....

Directives you say? Not laws then?

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

That’s the way, call someone, drunk, a wum and a troll, while claiming they are getting personal, irony eh.....

You are not posting in this thread to engage in "debate".

You are posting in this thread to deliberately antagonise Irish people with your neanderthal views on our history, our present, and our future.

You are the only person who does this. Even your fellow arch Brexiteers don't engage in such conduct.

Then when your argument is shown up for the nonsense it is, you accuse others of being incapable of debating.

That is what is commonly known as trolling.

 

[SteveSC]

Directives you say? Not laws then?

You are wasting your time. People like Pete have disdain for the EU and so will never admit they are wrong and inaccurate about the EU and what it's all about.

Dominic Cummings came up with Trump like slogans to get people on board with the leave campaign like "take back control" which is utter nonsense.

The UK is 100% in control of its own destiny and decision making.

It's easier to push the narrative that they control and makeup laws you have no choice on when in fact that's the one they cannot do. It's laughable he suggests the EU can change someones taxation laws. That simply isn't true.

Most of what they do is suggestion. Ask countries to vote on what would be best and then take it to their people and have them decide. Or sometimes the government of that country decide. Sometimes that works out sometimes not. But one thing is clear they cannot impose any change to a countrys laws.


It's easier for someone to hate the EU than to understand what they do and don't do.

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

You are wasting your time. People like Pete have disdain for the EU and so will never admit they are wrong and inaccurate about the EU and what it's all about.

Dominic Cummings came up with Trump like slogans to get people on board with the leave campaign like "take back control" which is utter nonsense.

The UK is 100% in control of its own destiny and decision making.

It's easier to push the narrative that they control and makeup laws you have no choice on when in fact that's the one they cannot do. It's laughable he suggests the EU can change someones taxation laws. That simply isn't true.

Most of what they do is suggestion. Ask countries to vote on what would be best and then take it to their people and have them decide. Or sometimes the government of that country decide. Sometimes that works out sometimes not. But one thing is clear they cannot impose any change to a countrys laws.


It's easier for someone to hate the EU than to understand what they do and don't do.

Steve, I look forward to @peteblue debunking this, in the way that you, Mark, Khalekan and others have done to most of his statements. He really is painting himself into a corner with his statements, to the extent that his toes are soaked in paint.......

 

[peteblue]

You are wasting your time. People like Pete have disdain for the EU and so will never admit they are wrong and inaccurate about the EU and what it's all about.

Dominic Cummings came up with Trump like slogans to get people on board with the leave campaign like "take back control" which is utter nonsense.

The UK is 100% in control of its own destiny and decision making.

It's easier to push the narrative that they control and makeup laws you have no choice on when in fact that's the one they cannot do. It's laughable he suggests the EU can change someones taxation laws. That simply isn't true.

Most of what they do is suggestion. Ask countries to vote on what would be best and then take it to their people and have them decide. Or sometimes the government of that country decide. Sometimes that works out sometimes not. But one thing is clear they cannot impose any change to a countrys laws.


It's easier for someone to hate the EU than to understand what they do and don't do.

But I do understand what the EU is about. If it was more concerned with trade or if it operated more like a confederation, I don’t think there would be many problems. However the political and bureaucratic elite just can’t leave it alone and want a U.S.E. and I don’t wish to be party to something where my vote carries absolutely no weight...

 

[Ron Swanson]

Fine. If they wish another vote and want to leave, who is stopping them. Certainly the English aren’t......we all wanted them to leave.....I look forward to the hard border between Scotland and the U.K.....

HM government are. The snp, under their mandate and after a majority vote in the Scottish parliament called for one. The PM refused.

An the English 'all wanted them to leave' is a strange sentiment given how vociferous they campaigned against independence.

 

[peteblue]

HM government are. The snp, under their mandate and after a majority vote in the Scottish parliament called for one. The PM refused.

An the English 'all wanted them to leave' is a strange sentiment given how vociferous they campaigned against independence.

Initially, many on here, including myself, were against the SNP and their aims, but as it moved on most just thought ‘well,if you want to go just go’. The PM would be right to refuse another vote as they only had one four years ago. I’m sure it will come around again though......

 

[Khalekan]

Steve, I look forward to @peteblue debunking this, in the way that you, Mark, Khalekan and others have done to most of his statements. He really is painting himself into a corner with his statements, to the extent that his toes are soaked in paint.......

Cheers, Emlyn.

I decided to give @peteblue the benefit of the doubt and sat down yesterday and pointed out to him the contradictions in his postings re the relationship between Ireland and England.

And about how it is neither the Republic of Ireland nor the European Union which is stalling his wet dream Brexit but in fact it is the DUP, the perennial “No” men in Ulster politics, allied to Empire Loyalists in the John Bull wing of the Tory Party, which held the British government to ransom and would not allow it to make a deal which would have seen GB leave the EU on good terms in March and left NI in a hugely advantageous position in the post Brexit world.

(that would have been the May/Barnier deal of December 2017)

As I have said repeatedly on this thread, given the competing loyalties and traditions within its borders and the very nature of that border’s terrain and economic well being, NI requires a very different Brexit to GB.....only an ostrich with its head in the sand would fail, or more likely refuse, to acknowledge this self evident truth.

But it seems that either ol’ Peter is as clueless on the subject as his posts suggest....or he has a problem taking on board and conceding there might be merit in any views which do not concur with his own.

Whatever it is, Pete’s attempted and constant failure to deflect every legitimate point made to him displays both a cluelessness due to a lack of knowledge on the subject and an obstinacy which forbids him thinking “hmmm....the other fellow raises a good point, I should have a think about that” and winds up just making him look plain foolish.

 

[peteblue]

Cheers, Emlyn.

I decided to give @peteblue the benefit of the doubt and sat down yesterday and pointed out to him the contradictions in his postings re the relationship between Ireland and England.

And about how it is neither the Republic of Ireland nor the European Union which is stalling his wet dream Brexit but in fact it is the DUP, the perennial “No” men in Ulster politics, allied to Empire Loyalists in the John Bull wing of the Tory Party, which held the British government to ransom and would not allow it to make a deal which would have seen GB leave the EU on good terms in March and left NI in a hugely advantageous position in the post Brexit world.

(that would have been the May/Barnier deal of December 2017)

As I have said repeatedly on this thread, given the competing loyalties and traditions within its borders and the very nature of that border’s terrain and economic well being, NI requires a very different Brexit to GB.....only an ostrich with its head in the sand would fail, or more likely refuse, to acknowledge this self evident truth.

But it seems that either ol’ Peter is as clueless on the subject as his posts suggest....or he has a problem taking on board and conceding there might be merit in any views which do not concur with his own.

Whatever it is, Pete’s attempted and constant failure to deflect every legitimate point made to him displays both a cluelessness due to a lack of knowledge on the subject and an obstinacy which forbids him thinking “hmmm....the other fellow raises a good point, I should have a think about that” and winds up just making him look plain foolish.

The deal is still being negotiated. While No Deal remains on the table the game is still in play. Merely saying that someone is ‘clueless’ doesn’t make anything you write correct. You should try applying your last line to your own input, you may find it illuminating.....

 

[peteblue]

A slight movement on a hard border....


After the Commission declared Dublin would be forced to implement a hard border in a no-deal scenario, Mr Barnier revealed how the Brexit backstop problem could be overcome in the future.

He told EU employers and trade union representatives on Wednesday: “If we’re facing a no-deal, we will, together with Ireland and the UK, have to find a way to carry out checks.

“If there’s no hard border, we’ll still have to do checks and controls somewhere.

“That will be something that we owe to consumers to protect consumers and companies within the single market.

“So, we’ll find an operational way of carrying out checks and controls without putting back in place a border.”

He added: “We would be obliged to carry out controls on goods arriving in the Republic of Ireland. My team have worked hard to study how controls can be made paperless or decentralised, which will be useful in all circumstances.”

Just like the U.K. have been saying all along........