Just waiting for Matt Hancock to throw around "AI" a bit more as a solution to everything.
Did you see his speech to the NHS conference? Glaringly vacuous of basic technological understanding.
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Just waiting for Matt Hancock to throw around "AI" a bit more as a solution to everything.
Did you see his speech to the NHS conference? Glaringly vacuous of basic technological understanding.
Waiting until we leave the EU so we can milk it via WTO.
Foot Long Hot Dog
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Just file it with the rest of the Brexit guff.
My favourite was them dismissing the words of Lamy on the Irish border issue when he described the proposed solutions and the idea that we could comply with WTO rules without a hard border, as complete fantasy, what does he know? project fear etc etc. I’m man he was only the former head of the WTO, Nadine Dorries obviously knows much more about the WTO than the head of the WTO. Case closed.
I'm not confident in any kind of NHS IT project to be honest. It's a continuous car crash in that respect.
roydo
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Bringing an App out soon apparently. Access to appointments, medical records, all sorts. What could possibly go wrong?
So the sort of thing that we've had in other forms of life for years already. Bring out the bunting.
bigbadjeff
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I’ve been using an app for appts to GP and re ordering prescriptions for a year or so.
bigbadjeff
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With no problems
The next stage of the Counter Terrorism and Border Security Bill is debated in parliament on Tuesday. There are provisions for border checks on people and goods within a mile of the border on the island of Ireland. Those that say the UK will not impose a border on the island of Ireland are not telling the truth.
"Schedule 3 Para 57(6)(b)
(6) A place is within the “border area” if it is in Northern Ireland and—
(a) it is no more than one mile from the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, or
(b) it is the first place at which a train travelling from the Republic of Ireland stops for the purposes of allowing passengers to leave. That is Newry.
SCHEDULE 3 Section 20 BORDER SECURITY PART 1 POWERS Power to stop, question and detain 1 (1) An examining officer may question a person for the purpose of determining whether the person appears to be a person who is, or has been, engaged in hostile activity if condition 1 or condition 2 is met. (2) Condition 1 is met if— (a) the person is at a port or in the border area, and (b) the examining officer believes that the person’s presence at the port or in the border area is connected with the person’s— (i) entry into, or departure from, Great Britain or Northern Ireland, or (ii) travel by air within Great Britain or Northern Ireland. (3) Condition 2 is met if the person is on a ship or aircraft which has arrived at any place in Great Britain or Northern Ireland (whether from within or outside Great Britain or Northern Ireland). (4) An examining officer may exercise the powers under this paragraph whether or not there are grounds for suspecting that a person is or has been engaged in hostile activity.
2 An examining officer may question a person who is in the border area for the purpose of determining whether the person’s presence in the area is connected with the person’s entry into, or departure from, Northern Ireland.
3 A person (“P”) questioned under paragraph 1 or 2 must—
(a) give the examining officer any information in P’s possession that the officer requests;
(b) give the examining officer on request either a valid passport which includes a photograph or another document which establishes P’s identity; (c) declare whether any documents of a kind specified by the examining officer are in P’s possession; (d) give the examining officer on request any such document.
4 (1) For the purposes of exercising a power under paragraph 1 or 2 an examining officer may—
(a) stop a person or vehicle;
(b) detain a person.
(2) For the purpose of detaining a person under this paragraph, an examining officer may authorise the person’s removal from a ship, aircraft or vehicle".
Similarly, those that say it is against the law to have 'border checks on the Irish Sea' are not telling the truth.
The Counter Terrorism and Border Security Bill has been deliberately designed to put a hard border on the island of Ireland. As this is the only way the UK as a whole can leave the EU. May has renegaded on her commitment in December about the backstop agreement. Checking people is against the Good Friday Agreement so the UK needed a different tact a 'different' way to approach it. They could only attempt to convince the Americans, in particular, but also the EU that reneging on the GFA was an imperative due to 'border security' issues i.e the threat from Russia vis-a-vas the Skripal' incident'. This came as a godsend to May.
"We are living in a period where the UK and our international partners also face sustained hostile activity from certain states. On 4 March 2018, Sergei and Yulia Skripal were poisoned in Salisbury using a military-grade nerve agent of a type developed by Russia. Following this, in a statement to the House of Commons on 26 March 2018, the Prime Minister announced that the Government was developing legislative powers to harden the country’s defences against all forms of hostile state activity. The National Security Capability Review made a commitment to “develop proposals for powers to stop, question, search and detain individuals at the UK border to determine whether they have been involved in matters that threaten our national security”
"Schedule 3 Para 57(6)(b)
(6) A place is within the “border area” if it is in Northern Ireland and—
(a) it is no more than one mile from the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, or
(b) it is the first place at which a train travelling from the Republic of Ireland stops for the purposes of allowing passengers to leave. That is Newry.
SCHEDULE 3 Section 20 BORDER SECURITY PART 1 POWERS Power to stop, question and detain 1 (1) An examining officer may question a person for the purpose of determining whether the person appears to be a person who is, or has been, engaged in hostile activity if condition 1 or condition 2 is met. (2) Condition 1 is met if— (a) the person is at a port or in the border area, and (b) the examining officer believes that the person’s presence at the port or in the border area is connected with the person’s— (i) entry into, or departure from, Great Britain or Northern Ireland, or (ii) travel by air within Great Britain or Northern Ireland. (3) Condition 2 is met if the person is on a ship or aircraft which has arrived at any place in Great Britain or Northern Ireland (whether from within or outside Great Britain or Northern Ireland). (4) An examining officer may exercise the powers under this paragraph whether or not there are grounds for suspecting that a person is or has been engaged in hostile activity.
2 An examining officer may question a person who is in the border area for the purpose of determining whether the person’s presence in the area is connected with the person’s entry into, or departure from, Northern Ireland.
3 A person (“P”) questioned under paragraph 1 or 2 must—
(a) give the examining officer any information in P’s possession that the officer requests;
(b) give the examining officer on request either a valid passport which includes a photograph or another document which establishes P’s identity; (c) declare whether any documents of a kind specified by the examining officer are in P’s possession; (d) give the examining officer on request any such document.
4 (1) For the purposes of exercising a power under paragraph 1 or 2 an examining officer may—
(a) stop a person or vehicle;
(b) detain a person.
(2) For the purpose of detaining a person under this paragraph, an examining officer may authorise the person’s removal from a ship, aircraft or vehicle".
Similarly, those that say it is against the law to have 'border checks on the Irish Sea' are not telling the truth.
The Counter Terrorism and Border Security Bill has been deliberately designed to put a hard border on the island of Ireland. As this is the only way the UK as a whole can leave the EU. May has renegaded on her commitment in December about the backstop agreement. Checking people is against the Good Friday Agreement so the UK needed a different tact a 'different' way to approach it. They could only attempt to convince the Americans, in particular, but also the EU that reneging on the GFA was an imperative due to 'border security' issues i.e the threat from Russia vis-a-vas the Skripal' incident'. This came as a godsend to May.
"We are living in a period where the UK and our international partners also face sustained hostile activity from certain states. On 4 March 2018, Sergei and Yulia Skripal were poisoned in Salisbury using a military-grade nerve agent of a type developed by Russia. Following this, in a statement to the House of Commons on 26 March 2018, the Prime Minister announced that the Government was developing legislative powers to harden the country’s defences against all forms of hostile state activity. The National Security Capability Review made a commitment to “develop proposals for powers to stop, question, search and detain individuals at the UK border to determine whether they have been involved in matters that threaten our national security”
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Foot Long Hot Dog
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Only that doesn’t solve the issue from the trade perspective and they’ve enshrined in U.K. law via the withdrawal bill that there’ll be no border checks or change from the current situation. So tbh I think this is a red herring in respect of this debate.
The Counter Terrorism and Border Security Bill will mean checks on the Irish Sea. This happens now There already is an Irish Sea border - Belfast Newsletter
and it hasn't stopped since the passing of the Withdrawal Bill. This must be illegal?
Regarding the checks in the border area. That is what is being proposed in the Counter Terrorism and Border Security Bill.
Foot Long Hot Dog
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The withdrawal bill makes no mention of an Irish Sea border, however ironically Rees Mogg’s / DUP amendment to May’s white paper does prohibit an Irish Sea border.
Checks in the border area intentioned as being for the purposes of security and anti terrorism can’t simply be used as a back door method of checking goods mate.
davek
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Recent polling suggests there'd be a majority for a United Ireland and the EU trade border makes sense of this from an economic point of view. Hopefully once the last generations to really witnessed the worst of the Troubles become a slim minority the island of Ireland can be unified once more. It's only a blink of an eye in historical terms that it was vandalised and lost its integrity.
That's not a sectarian hope by the way. Historically probably more of the leaders for Irish unity (and the ideology behind it) have come from a nominally British-Protestant tradition.
That's not a sectarian hope by the way. Historically probably more of the leaders for Irish unity (and the ideology behind it) have come from a nominally British-Protestant tradition.
How long to Brexit ? Let’s be sure it’s not going to happen before that , ignoring that we’ve got a government propped up by the DUP the history means we can be fairly confident that the road to a United ireland wouldn’t be one we’d get down easily and if it happened peacefully and without incident it’d be a surprise to many .
Personally i do think Brexit makes it more likely and it also makes Scottish independence more probable but you know it’s all in the name of sovereignty.
davek
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Brexit is just the start of the matter for the island of Ireland. The consequences of it will be ongoing and will change an awful lot of minds eventually.
Demographic shift and generational churn could combine with economic matters to surpass old enmities. As said, the partition era is a relatively short period of time in Irish history. We think of such arrangements as permanent, but they're not. All that's solid melts into air.
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