This is effectively the backstop that Teresa May agreed and then reneged on- a border in the Irish Sea to remove any suggestion of physical border checkpoints.
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Karen Bradley didn't know that nationalists don't vote for unionist parties???!!!!!
I mean.....
like.....
this is a good time to use Pete's dots.......
I mean.....
like.....
this is a good time to use Pete's dots.......
- I'd like you to be NI secretary, It's a delicate job given the power that the DUP hold and the Brexit negotiations. Do you know anything about Northern Ireland?
- Not one thing
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- Not one thing
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The best bit is that she felt it fine to publicly announce her ignorance.
haha, yea, I was thinking that. It's as if she still doesn't get it.
TraffordBlue
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"Which/they could" being the key phrase. All very vague and with just 6 months until the March 2019 deadline, how easily could all this be agreed given the added tension with the differing views on the matter? From what I can gather, the UK want any backstop to mean that the temporary arrangement would apply to the UK as a whole, which the EU disagrees on, wanting only NI to be included.
Neither stance means either side are in agreement. So we're back at square one.
Longer term there may be technological advances that allows for easier checks that way but they don't appear to exist now and the hard Brexiteers don't seem to want any sort of compromise after March 2019. They demand that out means out and don't care what the knock on effect would be on the Irish border issue.
Sorry to flog a dead horse but nothing I’ve read there seems in anyway to deal with the issues that have been raised . Maybe they’ve got ideas that can resolve it but that seems like nothing but a few meaningless sentences .
What continues to surprise me about this is that whilst some seem concerned about how we resolve an issue around the security of our borders a large percentage of those that seemed agitated over free movement in the past , for many being the exact issue that tipped them into Brexit , feel it’s just something that’ll work itself out.
That for me seems the most workable solution although far from perfect .
Foot Long Hot Dog
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They don’t care about the Irish border issue, they just see it as an inconvenience in delivering their beloved Brexit. Many of them just want it at any price now it seems, just to say that they got their ‘will’ delivered. Their ‘win’ became a reality. As for the obvious contradiction in terms of free movement, it’s Ireland, they don’t give a stuff.
James O’Brien summed up the mindset perfectly last week when discussing the LBC Leavers poll. There’s literally no point in speaking to them about it, they literally don’t care, and they’ll spout any old nads in order to silence debate about a potential fly in the ointment of their precious Brexit. This thread displays that mindset perfectly.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/present...-obriens-unmissable-monologue-on-lbcs-brexit/
Emlynsqueakyvoice
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The reality is that the vote was to protect "British" borders. That"s what the Brits voted for. They don't give a damn about Ireland. The people of Ulster who had a vote voted to remain in the EU, whilst the DUP once again stayed on the wrong side of history, voting to get out of Europe. If the Tories weren't in such a mess (being dependent on Arlene and her mates) then there would have been special status for Northern Ireland and this particular part of the Brexit mess would have been resolved. They are though, and have painted themselves into a corner. They haven't solved the "Irish problem" in 800 years, so pithy comments from far right Tories have no value at all. Arlene and her mates are going to have to compromise or this whole thing will go nipples north. The border is a major immigration alert, not just a movement of goods issue.
The British couldn't care less if that part of the U.K. Is overrun with immigrants. Their Secretary of State knew zip about the place when she took the job on!
I don’t disagree with any of that but even putting aside the fact they don’t care about the north of Ireland , if they don’t ‘protect’ it from immigration they can’t ‘protect ‘the mainland and I’m using the word protect advisedly.
I just get the feeling we’re going to end up where we pretend we’ve got borders when we haven’t and we’ll have left Europe and experience all that brings for the right to ‘protect’ ourselves and it’ll just be us pretending that’s what we’re doing and we’ll be paying a huge price for the privilege.
Don't you think given the time remaining that these things should have been identified and thoroughly tested by now? Instead we're still getting vague statements about possible solutions.
peteblue
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What we are getting are similar statements from the EU that the U.K. and many on here have been suggesting for quite some while.......if the EU had not been wasting time and playing politics with Ireland this could already have been sorted....
Come on Pete, that's absurd. So you're seriously suggesting that the UK negotiating team have known full well that there is a technology that can do all they claim it can for years, and have just sat on it without doing any testing, any proof-of-concept work to show off just how well it can do what they say it can, purely because the EU negotiators haven't believed them? Seriously? That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time.
Foot Long Hot Dog
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Just yet more of his nonsense attempts at blame shifting. Fake news Brexiteer style.
It's amazing really that we appear to have a technology that isn't in operation anywhere in the world and we're prepared to sit on it. You'd think given our desire to trade with the world we'd be peddling that stuff far and wide.
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