Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[Ruairi77]

Talking about trade percentages and tariffs with regard to the border is missing the point.

It's simple, any return to a visible border will be deemed as a breach of the GFA and will, in time, lead to a return of violence.
The RoI, backed by the EU, will only accept an invisible border that doesn't interrupt the movement of goods or people.
The only way for this to happen is for NI to stay in the single market.
The only way for that to happen is for the DUP to be removed from power via general election.
A new UK government can negotiate terms of NI remaining in the UK and the EU single market.
This may lead to Scotland demanding the same status.

The other option is a hard brexit which will require secured borders. This would be challenged in court and has the potential to drag on for years, even decades, leaving the UK economy in a state of flux and could lead to NI and Scotland leaving the UK.

If everybody is in agreement that neither side paid enough attention to NI, it might make sense to vote again, this time with all the facts.
No major party will advocate for a second referendum, so untill the UK public elects 'Remain' MPs, this whole thing will rumble on doing continuous damage to the UK economy.

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

Language Timothy......lol

Yep, exactly the same as Old Blue. Your diversions don't work Joey. The lads on here have exposed you. I respect the fact that you used your vote at the referendum but I completely disrespect the fact that you can't actually explain the benefits of what you voted for. Ireland has always been Britain's Achilles heal, and so it's proved so far in this complete mess of a Brexit negotiation. Laughable.

 

[Joey66]

Yep, exactly the same as Old Blue. Your diversions don't work Joey. The lads on here have exposed you. I respect the fact that you used your vote at the referendum but I completely disrespect the fact that you can't actually explain the benefits of what you voted for. Ireland has always been Britain's Achilles heal, and so it's proved so far in this complete mess of a Brexit negotiation. Laughable.

I am still fully clothed like @Old Blue 2 when we leave ......and we will this is going to be sorted project fear will die.....

 

[Ruairi77]

I am still fully clothed like @Old Blue 2 when we leave ......and we will this is going to be sorted project fear will die.....

OK Joey, so, seeing as we're in this thread and not the general Brexit one, what's your proposal for how to sort out the land border issue?

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

I am still fully clothed like @Old Blue 2 when we leave ......and we will this is going to be sorted project fear will die.....

Laughable. Last effort from me Joey;- can you explain what you and your fellow Brexiteers intend to do about the Irish border? If you haven't got a clue, just say it. I'd respect you if you did that. If you have an inkling, let's hear it.

 

[Joey66]

Laughable. Last effort from me Joey;- can you explain what you and your fellow Brexiteers intend to do about the Irish border? If you haven't got a clue, just say it. I'd respect you if you did that. If you have an inkling, let's hear it.

When we leave it will be sorted.......

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

When we leave it will be sorted.......

Laughable. And pathetic. You make no sense Joey. You didn't even understand the question. You really are the Boris of this thread.

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

When we leave it will be sorted.......

In other words you haven't a clue.

 

[Ruairi77]

When we leave it will be sorted.......

How?

 

[SteveSC]

How?

Please don't ask him a hard question haha!! You know he cannot answer that haha!!

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

France are in the EU Switzerland not - yet no hard border answer solved some gutbwas on LBC Radio am saying it's pure politics by the Irish south as they will and are scared if the rest of the UK does well after Brexit they will deffo leave the EU themselves!

????There is a hard border between France and Switzerland.

Try flying to Geneva and then driving to Lyon and see how far you get!

 

[Harryflashman]

Still doesn't answer the question that at least 6 posters have asked you now which again is how you are going to stop EU immigration to the UK with an open border in Ireland?
In you own time please..

Obviously I’m generalising but What I find crazy is it doesn’t matter , they don’t care . A substantial percentage of Brexiteers, for sake of avoiding argument and clarity not all , voted leave to take ‘ control of our borders’ , but seem prepared to abandon that principle as soon as a difficult situation arises confident it’ll work itself out as long as Brexit is achieved . To use an old phrase it’s all fur coat and no knickers .

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Obviously I’m generalising but What I find crazy is it doesn’t matter , they don’t care . A substantial percentage of Brexiteers, for sake of avoiding argument and clarity not all , voted leave to take ‘ control of our borders’ , but seem prepared to abandon that principle as soon as a difficult situation arises confident it’ll work itself out as long as Brexit is achieved . To use an old phrase it’s all fur coat and no knickers .

They are living in cloud cuckoo land where the fairy godmother waves her magic wand and everyone lives happily ever after.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Obviously I’m generalising but What I find crazy is it doesn’t matter , they don’t care . A substantial percentage of Brexiteers, for sake of avoiding argument and clarity not all , voted leave to take ‘ control of our borders’ , but seem prepared to abandon that principle as soon as a difficult situation arises confident it’ll work itself out as long as Brexit is achieved . To use an old phrase it’s all fur coat and no knickers .

This issue is merely representative of the entire Brexiteers mindset. The Brexit vote was driven by a belief based ideology, there were never any facts given or plans laid out, it was all about intangibles - control and Sovereignty, masters of our own destiny etc.

When asked what it was going to look like before the vote and when confronted with major potential stumbling blocks, they were all just brushed aside, people apparently merely needed to ‘believe’ in a strong and independent Britain, ra ra.

People bought into that ideology and now in the 2 years since, when pesky facts keep appearing to pop the Brexit fantasists balloons, they’re still grasping on to that belief mechanism that drove their votes in the first place. Only issues like this one are irrefutable facts, so belief won’t cut it, so they seek to apportion blame for these facts existing, it’s comical. When that position is laughed out of town, they revert to ‘ignore it and till go away’, as if it can be just lobbed to one side as a mere incidental.

 

[peteblue]

Oh look, all those things that were impossible, make believe and something to do with unicorns, are now being proposed by Barnier....

“The 67-year-old Frenchman also said he was very concerned about the Irish border issue but that the EU was open to discussing different - possibly dispersed and new technological - ways of checking goods crossing the UK-Irish border.”

"We are ready to simplify these checks, to have them carried out at a number of different places and have checks, thanks to technical means, which could take different forms,"

"They could be dispersed. They could take place in different places, on board vessels, in ports outside Ireland, they could be done using technological means, they could be dispersed, as I said, or simplified in technological terms."