Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

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Mark O'Silver said:
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. There was no soft border before the Troubles started. There were customs checks on the border which gave rise to queues of freight traffic for several miles awaiting clearance before the lorries could cross the border with their cargo.

Thankfully this all disappeared with the advent of the Single Market in 1993 after which the only checks on the border were security related. These also disappeared when the Troubles ended, and since then we have had an open invisible border with no checks of any sort. Brexit is a serious threat to this, the consequences of which don't bear thinking about.
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You have not and will not reply we are talking of 4 percent of trade in Ireland with the EU .......
The would be time to technically sort that out on big business in the future ...
Who raised this problem - the EU ......the pathetic Polictical expensive organisation the UK voted to leave.....
 
Joey66 said:
You have not and will not reply we are talking of 4 percent of trade in Ireland with the EU .......
The would be time to technically sort that out on big business in the future ...
Who raised this problem - the EU ......the pathetic Polictical expensive organisation the UK voted to leave.....
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With respect mate, that doesnt really answer the question. The EU didnt ask us to leave, we voted to do so. So surely they should have a say in their borders, as well as us.
 
roydo said:
Mate, give it up. Its pointless. Joey is a lifelong socialist, who hates Corbyn, and follows the mantra of Johnson, Rees Mogg, and Farage.

Conflicted doesnt get close.
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Having just seen his 'reply' I think I'd better take your advice. It's akin to banging your head against a wall trying to get any sense out of him.
 
Joey66 said:
I have and asked questions too that the remainers fail to answer same old posters on here getting personal yet again ....
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So you want a no border, soft border solution, of the sort that has never existed in Ireland? The devil is in the detail Joe. Can you tell me how this plan would work, or who would vote for it? Does a soft border imply a relaxation of border control? Does Johnson and his like approve of this? Do the people of Ireland approve of the erection of borders? What about the border population? Have you thought of any of this? I'm keen to hear a lot more about this 'solution'.
As far as I know, Remainers voted for the status quo. There's no fresh solutions for them to come up with as they were presumably content with the border arrangements pre referendum. Forget Remainers Joe, tell me about your plan. I'm intrigued.
 
roydo said:
With respect mate, that doesnt really answer the question. The EU didnt ask us to leave, we voted to do so. So surely they should have a say in their borders, as well as us.
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Like Turkey and Switzerland who are non EU countries who trade far more than 4 percent.......
Anyway when the chequers deal gets chucked we are back to square one......
 
Joey66 said:
No one in the run up to Brexit on both sides mentioned the border in Ireland as a problem the 4 percent trade with the EU may have been that reason.....
Switzerland or bordered with many EU countries yet trade carries on on a massive scale....
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So another issue you voted on without a clue about the ramifications of then? When I say You, I mean the wider Brexit You btw.
 
Joey66 said:
You have not and will not reply we are talking of 4 percent of trade in Ireland with the EU .......
The would be time to technically sort that out on big business in the future ...
Who raised this problem - the EU ......the pathetic Polictical expensive organisation the UK voted to leave.....
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Joey, this isn’t the issue that is being raised here over the day. The issue is freedom of movement and what that will entail for both Ireland and the U.K.

At the minute there is no physical border at all and anyone can cross from Ireland to the U.K. completely unhindered at any of approx 246 points. This is the most open border you are ever going to see.

Is this the scenario that you feel should continue to apply? It’s a simple yes or no Joey.
 
Joey66 said:
Like Turkey and Switzerland who are non EU countries who trade far more than 4 percent.......
Anyway when the chequers deal gets chucked we are back to square one......
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And have to bow and scrape to every EU rule with zero input. Great. Take back control.
 
Emlynsqueakyvoice said:
So you want a no border, soft border solution, of the sort that has never existed in Ireland? The devil is in the detail Joe. Can you tell me how this plan would work, or who would vote for it? Does a soft border imply a relaxation of border control? Does Johnson and his like approve of this? Do the people of Ireland approve of the erection of borders? What about the border population? Have you thought of any of this? I'm keen to hear a lot more about this 'solution'.
As far as I know, Remainers voted for the status quo. There's no fresh solutions for in time a mere 4 percent of EU trade them to come up with as they were presumably content with the border arrangements pre referendum. Forget Remainers Joe, tell me about your plan. I'm intrigued.
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The HRMC already sort out the different tax systems on the island of Ireland in time they could keep the open border and when technology improves the mere 4 percent of EU trade can be sorted!
Trade is mainly done with the UK.....60 percent the rest is worldwide.....bar 4 percent.....
 
Joey66 said:
You have not and will not reply we are talking of 4 percent of trade in Ireland with the EU .......
The would be time to technically sort that out on big business in the future ...
Who raised this problem - the EU ......the pathetic Polictical expensive organisation the UK voted to leave.....
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It doesn't matter if it is 4 or 40%! If there were no checks goods could come in from Ireland, everyone in NI then gets them at EU rates and from there they could be moved to the mainland totally circumventing us being on WTO or any other tariffs. Good news is that NI's economy would boom as you would get all the businesses setting up hubs there. I can't see the EU being to happy with this though.

You either hard border the isle of Ireland against our own law and risk more trouble starting and possibly leading to the break up of the UK or you hard border N.Ireland from the rest of the UK which probably leads to more troubles and the break up of the UK.
 
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