Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

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Why don't you just answer the question instead of going on an anti-EU rant every time you are asked something ?
I was answering to @Charlie Sweet not you and the answer is a genuine one - not to you maybe -I asked you this 4% of trade over the border to the EU from the south surely in time technology will be available to sort out such a small amount - The EU are the only ones bothering about this........ being the bureaucratic mess the prove to be........
 
I was answering to @Charlie Sweet not you and the answer is a genuine one - not to you maybe -I asked you this 4% of trade over the border to the EU from the south surely in time technology will be available to sort out such a small amount - The EU are the only ones bothering about this........ being the bureaucratic mess the prove to be........
Yet another anti- EU rant instead of answering the question you were asked.
*shakes head
 
Yet another anti- EU rant instead of answering the question you were asked.
*shakes head
You never answered my question on the border trade with the EU is a mere 4 percent.......over the border Ireland as a country does more business with........the UK .......
So if a trade is without tarrifs in a deal with the EU the border can remain as it is now......
The EU storm in a tea cup to derail Brexit.......
 
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You never answered my question on the border trade with the EU is a mere 4 percent.......over the border Ireland as a country does more business with........the UK .......
So if a trade is without tarrifs in a deal with the EU the border can remain as it is now......
The EU storm in a tea cup to derail Brexit.......

It may well be my poor comprehension skills but I don’t really understand what that means .

You want the border to stay as it is ? Firstly that’s at odds with EU legislation but to dismiss that and address a point I’ve made before . What stops EU nationals entering the republic under free movement as they’re entitled then crossing to the north through a non hard border and then giving them the freedom to enter mainland Britain without major travel restrictions ? because we don’t have passport checks on those traveling from the North to mainland Britain because they’re travelling within the UK , it’d be like checking your passport if you went to Scotland .

A lot of people , especially some Brexiteers , seem concerned with uncontrolled immigration and as I understood it was a key thought in many’s vote . If I’ve understood your point you’re ok with Europeans being able to travel to the mainland Britain via the Republic with the only control someone like Sandra from easyJet who checks the ID matches the name on the ticket ? Or do you want those in the Republic to have free and unrestricted travel to the North but citizens of the UK to have extensive passport checks on entering another part of the UK ? Because you’re going to need both new legislation for that and good luck explaining that to those who leave or work in the 6 counties. .
 
It may well be my poor comprehension skills but I don’t really understand what that means .

You want the border to stay as it is ? Firstly that’s at odds with EU legislation but to dismiss that and address a point I’ve made before . What stops EU nationals entering the republic under free movement as they’re entitled then crossing to the north through a non hard border and then giving them the freedom to enter mainland Britain without major travel restrictions ? because we don’t have passport checks on those traveling from the North to mainland Britain because they’re travelling within the UK , it’d be like checking your passport if you went to Scotland .

A lot of people , especially some Brexiteers , seem concerned with uncontrolled immigration and as I understood it was a key thought in many’s vote . If I’ve understood your point you’re ok with Europeans being able to travel to the mainland Britain via the Republic with the only control someone like Sandra from easyJet who checks the ID matches the name on the ticket ? Or do you want those in the Republic to have free and unrestricted travel to the North but citizens of the UK to have extensive passport checks on entering another part of the UK ? Because you’re going to need both new legislation for that and good luck explaining that to those who leave or work in the 6 counties. .

I think the WTO will have something to say as well.
 
Worrying news for May. Ditch the 'will of the people' shall prevail and leave the EU and the UK is likely to split or ignore the referendum vote - the will of the people - and it may keep the union together, but not a guarantee.

"Brexit is damaging support for the British union in both Scotlandand Northern Ireland, a new poll has revealed.

Almost half of Scottish voters - 47 percent - said they would now vote for independence if the UK leaves the European Union. Only 43 percent said they would vote for Scotland to remain part of Britain after Brexit.


The latest Deltapoll findings also showed that Brexit is also harming support for the union in Northern Ireland.


A majority of voters in the country- 52 percent - would back a united Ireland outside of the UK if Brexit goes ahead. Only 39 percent would vote to remain part of UK.

The same survey, commissioned by the Best for Britain and Our Future Our Choice campaign groups, pointed to even stronger opposition to the creation of a so-called “hard border” across Ireland after Brexit.

It found 56 percent of people in Northern Ireland would be willing to vote for a united Ireland if the UK left the EU and a hard border were set up.


The Independent’s own Final Say campaign demands voters are given a new referendum on Theresa May’s exit terms before the UK officially leaves the bloc in March 2019.

Tory MP Phillip Lee, a supporter of a second referendum, said the latest poll results showed Brexit was “project risk”.

The former justice minister said: “We know we risk losing jobs, it’s already started. We know we risk losing influence, as we become a taker rather than a maker of rules. Now we also risk losing our union. The only legitimate course now is to suspend or revoke Article 50 and call a second referendum offering people a choice between the leave the Brexiteers want and remaining in the EU on a new deal.”

UK news in pictures

Support for Brexit is weak north of the border - 62 percent of Scots voted remain at the 2016 Brexit vote.

The new poll shows only 31 percent of Scots say it would be right to leave the EU even if the public mood is shown to have shifted since the 2016 vote. A far higher proportion of Scots - 48 percent - said it would be wrong to leave the EU if the will of the people had changed.

Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU by a majority of 56 percent to 44 percent in 2016.

Best for Britain chief Eloise Todd said the latest poll was “compelling evidence as to why we need to stop and think again”.

Ms Todd said: “When people voted in 2016, they didn’t vote to break up the union and risk both Scotland and Northern Ireland voting for a different future outside the United Kingdom. The public deserve a say on the final deal, with the knowledge that if Brexit happens we could shatter the union altogether.”
 
It may well be my poor comprehension skills but I don’t really understand what that means .

You want the border to stay as it is ? Firstly that’s at odds with EU legislation but to dismiss that and address a point I’ve made before . What stops EU nationals entering the republic under free movement as they’re entitled then crossing to the north through a non hard border and then giving them the freedom to enter mainland Britain without major travel restrictions ? because we don’t have passport checks on those traveling from the North to mainland Britain because they’re travelling within the UK , it’d be like checking your passport if you went to Scotland .

A lot of people , especially some Brexiteers , seem concerned with uncontrolled immigration and as I understood it was a key thought in many’s vote . If I’ve understood your point you’re ok with Europeans being able to travel to the mainland Britain via the Republic with the only control someone like Sandra from easyJet who checks the ID matches the name on the ticket ? Or do you want those in the Republic to have free and unrestricted travel to the North but citizens of the UK to have extensive passport checks on entering another part of the UK ? Because you’re going to need both new legislation for that and good luck explaining that to those who leave or work in the 6 counties. .
really hear is the trade for Ireland in genereral in 2016 - look who is making the fuss over the border issue the EU-
look how much trade there is.........
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Yeah sorry and I’ve no intention of being rude at all but what does that have to do with what I posted ? Again maybe it’s my comprehension skills .
The thing is the EU trade is a mere 4% - I am not denying that will cause a problem and in time technology can take it over in time , but who has raised and blown the border problem up to hinder progression on Brexit over this the EU...
TBH our side on negotiations has been abysmal all over the place , but that's what happens when you put remainers in the negotiations May and co and major civil servants Ollie robbins etc -
I am not saying it is not a problem, but the EU have deliberately interfered with the border question , and on that pie chart it 4% of trade income ..... They mention the Good friday agreement no one wants to revert to a hard border if I remember they never came up with the solution for the Good Friday agreement yet like quoting it .....
Its a problem on trade, and in time it could be solved - they just use as a stick to beat us with....
If we get a trade free agreement HMRC who sort out the variable taxes VAT now in Ireland can eventually with technology solve the problem in time -2 years wasted not the Irish problem, but the EU dominating the negotiations, and the UK being pathetic in them tbh imo.....
 
The thing is the EU trade is a mere 4% - I am not denying that will cause a problem and in time technology can take it over in time , but who has raised and blown the border problem up to hinder progression on Brexit over this the EU...
TBH our side on negotiations has been abysmal all over the place , but that's what happens when you put remainers in the negotiations May and co and major civil servants Ollie robbins etc -
I am not saying it is not a problem, but the EU have deliberately interfered with the border question , and on that pie chart it 4% of trade income ..... They mention the Good friday agreement no one wants to revert to a hard border if I remember they never came up with the solution for the Good Friday agreement yet like quoting it .....
Its a problem on trade, and in time it could be solved - they just use as a stick to beat us with....
If we get a trade free agreement HMRC who sort out the variable taxes VAT now in Ireland can eventually with technology solve the problem in time -2 years wasted not the Irish problem, but the EU dominating the negotiations, and the UK being pathetic in them tbh imo.....

Ok if accept everything you’ve posted as true and factual and accept it’ll all work out , as to my point how do you secure immigration? If you’ve got a no border on the island of Ireland what stops EU immigrants from hoping ok a ferry or an easyJet flight to the mainland ?

You can’t have immigration officials because its travel internally in the UK and we don’t have any legislation covering that . you’d be telling the population of the North that those in the Republic would have free entry to the UK but UK citizens had their travel restricted with the UK . Surely you can see that’s just a massive box of frogs , not to mention currently unlawful . You cant say just restrict non UK citizens because immigration officials don’t police arrivals from the North because it’s an internal UK flight . You’d have to have counter terrorism officers waiting for every arrival be it ferry or flight and firstly there probably isn’t close to 1% of the required staff and also no way would it ever be accepted by the population of the North of Ireland .

For the life of me I don’t see a way around it , I just can’t . If you’ve got one I’m happy to hear it , I’m not being flippant or dismissive I just can’t see a solution .
 
Ok if accept everything you’ve posted as true and factual and accept it’ll all work out , as to my point how do you secure immigration? If you’ve got a no border on the island of Ireland what stops EU immigrants from hoping ok a ferry or an easyJet flight to the mainland ?

You can’t have immigration officials because its travel internally in the UK and we don’t have any legislation covering that . you’d be telling the population of the North that those in the Republic would have free entry to the UK but UK citizens had their travel restricted with the UK . Surely you can see that’s just a massive box of frogs , not to mention currently unlawful . You cant say just restrict non UK citizens because immigration officials don’t police arrivals from the North because it’s an internal UK flight . You’d have to have counter terrorism officers waiting for every arrival be it ferry or flight and firstly there probably isn’t close to 1% of the required staff and also no way would it ever be accepted by the population of the North of Ireland .

For the life of me I don’t see a way around it , I just can’t . If you’ve got one I’m happy to hear it , I’m not being flippant or dismissive I just can’t see a solution .
You are wasting your time. He won't answer that question because he can't. As above, he will respond with a different question and an answer to a question he wasn't asked.

Brexiteers can't answer the difficult questions put to them, especially this one about EU immigration and the border. Deflect, deflect, deflect is their only response.
 
You are wasting your time. He won't answer that question because he can't. As above, he will respond with a different question and an answer to a question he wasn't asked.

Brexiteers can't answer the difficult questions put to them, especially this one about EU immigration and the border. Deflect, deflect, deflect is their only response.

I voted remain but I just want to come out of this with some kind of structure. Throughout my life I was taught to adapt and adjust when facing problems , I just want somebody to come up with something.

Border security , counter terrorism, target hardening are all things I know at least a small amount about and I just can’t see a workable solution . The best of a bad bunch might have been a border at sea but given the politics and history at play I’m not sure even that would work and it does seem to have been abandoned anyway .

I’d hope significantly better educated and more experienced people than me at working all out on this but I’m not even convinced on that .
 
You are wasting your time. He won't answer that question because he can't. As above, he will respond with a different question and an answer to a question he wasn't asked.

Brexiteers can't answer the difficult questions put to them, especially this one about EU immigration and the border. Deflect, deflect, deflect is their only response.

Reading this thread and seeing the absolute nonsense spouted by the usual suspects with no actual solutions about the Irish Border is very similar to what is going on with the Politicians. Rees Mogg etc are the exact same and I actually think in his case he actually doesn't really understand what he is talking about. The evidence for that is in that video where he mentioned about there being checks 'like during the troubles'. He embarrassed himself with that one more than usual.

As has been mentioned already, those who voted leave cannot give a solution that will work because there isn't one.

These Politicians egg on their racist/foreigner fearing backers who voted leave with claims that we will 'take back control of our borders' yet then go on to say that 'there doesn't need to be a border on the Island of Ireland'. It's a complete contradiction.

The ones who voted leave for reasons other than immigration (of which I accept there are also a significant number), tie themselves in knots when it comes to their claim that we will have no issues with borders, and at the same time are pushing for us to leave the Customs Union and Single Market. Again, this obviously cannot happen as there will be a need for physical checks as Barnier has repeated on many occasions “The only thing I can say – without the customs union, outside the single market – barriers to trade and goods and services are unavoidable. The time has come to make a choice.”

And also, It's quite embarrassing to hear some claiming this is Ireland's problem, when it is us who will hugely impact on them due to the UK's referendum result.
 
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