Current Affairs Irish Border and Brexit

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

The thing is the EU trade is a mere 4% - I am not denying that will cause a problem and in time technology can take it over in time , but who has raised and blown the border problem up to hinder progression on Brexit over this the EU...
TBH our side on negotiations has been abysmal all over the place , but that's what happens when you put remainers in the negotiations May and co and major civil servants Ollie robbins etc -
I am not saying it is not a problem, but the EU have deliberately interfered with the border question , and on that pie chart it 4% of trade income ..... They mention the Good friday agreement no one wants to revert to a hard border if I remember they never came up with the solution for the Good Friday agreement yet like quoting it .....
Its a problem on trade, and in time it could be solved - they just use as a stick to beat us with....
If we get a trade free agreement HMRC who sort out the variable taxes VAT now in Ireland can eventually with technology solve the problem in time -2 years wasted not the Irish problem, but the EU dominating the negotiations, and the UK being pathetic in them tbh imo.....

This is just yet more Brexiteer tripe.

Brexit was supposed to be about protecting our borders wasn’t it? Stopping people coming in who some felt they didn’t want to have the opportunity to reside here. Throughout the entire campaign the Brexiteers glossed over the Irish border issue as some form of mere incidental. This was completely disingenuous, and that disingenuous tone has continued since.

As the simple facts are, that controlling our borders includes the NI border and the GFA agreement and now the Withdrawal bill prohibits that from being a reality. So we’re left with an open border that can’t be closed due to our own law and a UN sanctioned agreement, that if we don’t close leaves part of the U.K. completely open to the EU trading bloc via the Republic which in terms of movement of goods and of people is against what Brexiteers wanted so badly that you were prepared to chuck the economy in a skip for it. But ironically when confronted with the WTO rules Brexiteers now argue that an open border should be fine, what?

It’s the EU’s fault they scream, when it’s actually a matter of International trade law. The real reason they throw their arms in the air and seek to finger point, is that this issue was never addressed before the vote and there simply isn’t a solution that works unless NI stays within the single market. But they’ll continue to ignore facts, and keep dismissing this issue as some form of Project fear, EU bullying, EU intransigence etc take your pick, as the reality and the truth is something they don’t want to face as it involves facts, and they don’t do facts.

 

[Joey66]

This is just yet more Brexiteer tripe.

Brexit was supposed to be about protecting our borders wasn’t it? Stopping people coming in who some felt they didn’t want to have the opportunity to reside here. Throughout the entire campaign the Brexiteers glossed over the Irish border issue as some form of mere incidental. This was completely disingenuous, and that disingenuous tone has continued since.

As the simple facts are, that controlling our borders includes the NI border and the GFA agreement and now the Withdrawal bill prohibits that from being a reality. So we’re left with an open border that can’t be closed due to our own law and a UN sanctioned agreement, that if we don’t close leaves part of the U.K. completely open to the EU trading bloc via the Republic which in terms of movement of goods and of people is against what Brexiteers wanted so badly that you were prepared to chuck the economy in a skip for it. But ironically when confronted with the WTO rules Brexiteers now argue that an open border should be fine, what?

It’s the EU’s fault they scream, when it’s actually a matter of International trade law. The real reason they throw their arms in the air and seek to finger point, is that this issue was never addressed before the vote and there simply isn’t a solution that works unless NI stays within the single market. But they’ll continue to ignore facts, and keep dismissing this issue as some form of Project fear, EU bullying, EU intransigence etc take your pick, as the reality and the truth is something they don’t want to face as it involves facts, and they don’t do facts.

You just promote fear project fear - life outside the EU is possible to thrive it's a polictical control freak of an organising that we have opted to leave.......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

You just promote fear project fear - life outside the EU is possible to thrive it's a polictical control freak of an organising that we have opted to leave.......

That’s just yet more soundbite tripe that deflects away from the actual discussion as you can’t offer any form of rational answer to this issue.QED Joey btw.

 

[Joey66]

That’s just yet more soundbite tripe that deflects away from the actual discussion as you can’t offer any form of rational answer to this issue.QED Joey btw.

Soundbite equals leaving......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Soundbite equals leaving......

The soundbite was ‘project fear’ which has become the Brexiteers cover all response when confronted with actual facts. Which is why you used it in response to my post, without being able to counter a single word of my comment.

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

Soundbite equals leaving......

Joey, how would you deal with the Irish border? Would you leave it open, in direct contravention of what you voted for in regard to taking control of your borders, or would you have a hard border, which contravenes the Good Friday Agreement? Or do you think there is another solution? Simple question, requiring a simple answer. Thanks.

 

[Joey66]

Joey, how would you deal with the Irish border? Would you leave it open, in direct contravention of what you voted for in regard to taking control of your borders, or would you have a hard border, which contravenes the Good Friday Agreement? Or do you think there is another solution? Simple question, requiring a simple answer. Thanks.

Soft border as before per the troubles started - and reopened since the north would be guided on the credentials of the new immigration rules outside the Island just like the IOM who is not even in the EU....

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Joey, how would you deal with the Irish border? Would you leave it open, in direct contravention of what you voted for in regard to taking control of your borders, or would you have a hard border, which contravenes the Good Friday Agreement? Or do you think there is another solution? Simple question, requiring a simple answer. Thanks.

project fear......blah......4% ....blah.....they want to change our clocks.....VAT......blah.....ryanair will do the immigration checks.....blah....EU caused the problem....blah.....rule britannia.....blah.....bananas are the wrong size.....blah......

 

[Moomin]

Don't worry, a hero is coming to solve the issue

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...l-farage-latest/amp?__twitter_impression=true

 

[Emlynsqueakyvoice]

Soft border as before per the troubles started - and reopened since the north would be guided on the credentials of the new immigration rules outside the Island just like the IOM who is not even in the EU....

The IOM is a red herring mate. It is outside the EU in a way that NI isn't. They have immigration checks at their ports of entry. Forget them. Are you having a soft border, is that your solution? Given that the government has said there will be no hard border, and that WTO rules dictate that there would need to be a hard border, and that a soft border is a border, what do you mean? Has anyone else thought of your cunning plan during this entire mess? If so, who? Here's your chance to shine here and put all the bluster in the shade.

 

[Harryflashman]

Soft border as before per the troubles started - and reopened since the north would be guided on the credentials of the new immigration rules outside the Island just like the IOM who is not even in the EU....

So to clarify what do you mean by a soft border ? Like we have now for example ? Before I answer or refer you to the points made by others and myself and earlier I just wonder exactly what you mean .

At first glance The concerns from your post would be how does anything you’ve said deal with the points raised about ‘security of borders ‘ nor would it comply with any of our mandatory requirements .

 

[Carl O'Ancelotti]

Soft border as before per the troubles started - and reopened since the north would be guided on the credentials of the new immigration rules outside the Island just like the IOM who is not even in the EU....

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. There was no soft border before the Troubles started. There were customs checks on the border which gave rise to queues of freight traffic for several miles awaiting clearance before the lorries could cross the border with their cargo.

Thankfully this all disappeared with the advent of the Single Market in 1993 after which the only checks on the border were security related. These also disappeared when the Troubles ended, and since then we have had an open invisible border with no checks of any sort. Brexit is a serious threat to this, the consequences of which don't bear thinking about.

 

[roydo]

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. There was no soft border before the Troubles started. There were customs checks on the border which gave rise to queues of freight traffic for several miles awaiting clearance before the lorries could cross the border with their cargo.

Thankfully this all disappeared with the advent of the Single Market in 1993 after which the only checks on the border were security related. These also disappeared when the Troubles ended, and since then we have had an open invisible border with no checks of any sort. Brexit is a serious threat to this, the consequences of which don't bear thinking about.

Mate, give it up. Its pointless. Joey is a lifelong socialist, who hates Corbyn, and follows the mantra of Johnson, Rees Mogg, and Farage.

Conflicted doesnt get close.

 

[Moomin]

Mate, give it up. Its pointless. Joey is a lifelong socialist, who hates Corbyn, and follows the mantra of Johnson, Rees Mogg, and Farage.

Conflicted doesnt get close.

He hates racists as well.

 

[roydo]

He hates racists as well.

And to complete the Russian Doll, is a lovely fella!