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I see Biden has blamed Iran/Iran proxies for the tropps killed in Jordan. It is just a matter of time now given all that is happening.

Iran has been getting away with murder tbh. It’s about time the west put a stop to it. They need to be told in no uncertain terms that if a NATO ship, serviceman, base or commercial tanker is attacked then they will face massive retaliation….
 
Iran will get the message very soon.
What is the media like in the US? What's the general mood and appetite for military action in the general public?

When the US have everything in place then I think that they will put on a big show of strength. It's not just here, but they have to show the likes of China and Russia that if they decide to do anymore f@#£ing around, they'll find out what a mistake they'd be making.
 
What is the media like in the US? What's the general mood and appetite for military action in the general public?

When the US have everything in place then I think that they will put on a big show of strength. It's not just here, but they have to show the likes of China and Russia that if they decide to do anymore f@#£ing around, they'll find out what a mistake they'd be making.
Seems to me something big is coming. Liberal and conservative media talking up this last act as crossing the line. No surprise Iran sent three rockets up in succession the other day. It’s now when not if a response will be made. The surgical efforts to not escalate has been met with ambivalence and disdain
 
What is the media like in the US? What's the general mood and appetite for military action in the general public?

When the US have everything in place then I think that they will put on a big show of strength. It's not just here, but they have to show the likes of China and Russia that if they decide to do anymore f@#£ing around, they'll find out what a mistake they'd be making.
Beyond dropping bombs? Very low. The left does not want another Afghanistan. The right does not want to finance one.

It's never hard to drum up support for something like the Kosovo campaign, especially after American soldiers are killed. The question on the table is what will be hit. Options ranging from Syrian operatives up to the Iranian navy, nuclear and missile programs are in play.

It mostly depends on how Biden wants to play it. Does he want to slow-walk escalation, or does he want to send the message that he will degrade Iran's security capabilities unless they walk back their anti-American initiatives across Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Palestine? How will any given action impact an already unruly Congress? How is any given action likely to play with voters in the middle?

As far as Russia and China are concerned, the best thing Biden can do to deter them is avoid getting entangled in a conflict that ties down a large fraction of American forces for some time to come. That will also go into his calculation.
 
Beyond dropping bombs? Very low. The left does not want another Afghanistan. The right does not want to finance one.

It's never hard to drum up support for something like the Kosovo campaign, especially after American soldiers are killed. The question on the table is what will be hit. Options ranging from Syrian operatives up to the Iranian navy, nuclear and missile programs are in play.

It mostly depends on how Biden wants to play it. Does he want to slow-walk escalation, or does he want to send the message that he will degrade Iran's security capabilities unless they walk back their anti-American initiatives across Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Palestine? How will any given action impact an already unruly Congress? How is any given action likely to play with voters in the middle?

As far as Russia and China are concerned, the best thing Biden can do to deter them is avoid getting entangled in a conflict that ties down a large fraction of American forces for some time to come. That will also go into his calculation.
Do you think with this narrative that Iran will suddenly quit their cat and mouse game? Tough choices will be made in the upcoming days. Time will show whether this goes a way my thought is to the contrary. Not everything is political posturing when lives are lost.
 
Do you think with this narrative that Iran will suddenly quit their cat and mouse game? Tough choices will be made in the upcoming days. Time will show whether this goes a way my thought is to the contrary. Not everything is political posturing when lives are lost.
Iran is one piece in a larger security puzzle, with tradeoffs everywhere. Biden is balancing the need to fund Ukraine, whether and how much to fund Israel, general military readiness and Iran's current impact on US security. Then there's the fact that if he loses in November, much of his security policy will likely be undone, including his efforts against Iran.

National security has always been a political matter, but never quite like it is today. The divide was not straight left/right, and isolationism was a fringe position not taken seriously in the halls of power or by most people. It lacked the votes.

Iran will not stop their efforts until either the US withdraws from the region and lets Iran have their way with it, or their present regime falls. It doesn't necessarily follow that regime change in Iran is a good idea. Intermediate courses exist, regime change by force is a notoriously chancy proposition, and tough-guy stances can do more harm than good by alienating allies.

There is a reason the White House visibly ages its occupants. There are no easy answers to such questions. Something will happen, and soon. The denizens of the forum more conversant with the details on how US and allied pieces move, and ITK on current details, are in a better position to evaluate how broad the scope of what's coming is.
 
I suspect very few fancy putting a saddam mk ii into iran. Though history at least says this is a possibility. Are the enemies of the west happy to suffer the sanctions or do they just laugh em off and carry on regardless?
Whatever happens next, I'm sure it'll be wall to wall hospitals* and primary schools* that end up on al jazera news as the cost of western aggression.

What does an escalation between iran and the US do re israel and Gaza? push it off the front pages for a bit and create a void of reporting?

All rather bleak.
 
No doubting Iran wants the US out of the middle east to weaken their main enemy, Israel. Israel will not stop until Hamas is totally destroyed no matter what the international community thinks of its brutal way of handling it. This doesn't go away. Biden is pulling the sensible card at the moment, but a Trump victory could bring us to a powder keg of unknown proportions. We are living in a time of tough choices any sign of weakness will be exploited by fanatical responses. As Llyod Austin sits in his chair again today to ponder his next move a study of importance lies in wait for him. No easy decisions ahead.
 
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