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Disgruntledgoat
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I was thinking you were implying it was the missiles fired at the American bases... good shout
bullybeef
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Well I kinda was but it seemed very coincidental that a plane should crash due to technical fault when missiles were known to be flying around.
Disgruntledgoat
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Operator error on one of their anti aircraft things, most likely.
Similar to the Malaysian airlines one over Ukraine
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Billy Dean
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Completely unnecessary deaths of innocent people
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Are you suggesting that, by contrast to the bad ol' USA, some nations' foreign policy agendas are based on altruism rather than national self-interest? Because that'd be quite a fanciful claim.
Uh oh, I feel a spell of pedantry coming on...WW1 - they joined in when the European adverseries had just about decimated each other. Why did they join in? They had nothing against Imperial Germany.
They realised that French/British industry was worn out and they saw great business opportunities. Look at the US companies that came to UK after that war; Ford,GM, Mars, Singer, Kelloggs. etc.
WW2 - well the Japs zapped them in the Pacific.
In N Africa and in Europe they had no need to join other than Churchill's pleading. (the holacaust had not been discovered in 1942). They sold weapons and arms to UK before that, and charged a price that took 50 years to pay off the debt.
Having said that, if the merrycans hadn't joined in then I think the Soviets would have first beaten the Germans, then over run the rest of western europe right to the atlantic coast.
Hey, perhaps Roosevelt's advisors saw that coming too.
When the US declared entry in the First World War there was no evidence that the conflict was nearing an end or that any belligerent party was on the verge of collapse or throwing in the towel; it was the same old stalemate that had featured on the Western Front for a couple of years. (By the time US forces were actually beginning to arrive in Europe in early 1918, things were beginning to turn more fluid and it started to become a war of movement again.)
They came in when they did for a variety of reasons, but make no mistake, there was a lot of animus against Imperial Germany in the United States notwithstanding that Germans constituted the single largest non-British ethnic group in America. (One result was that a whole world of German Kultur in America was wiped away within a few years.) The century that's passed since WWI has served up so many horrors that it's easy to forget that to the average American (and to the West generally), the German U boat campaign looked like a reversion to barbarism. Today we take submarines for granted and can see that the British naval blockade made U boats absolutely indispensable to the Germans, but at the time it seemed monstrous that they were sinking warships, troop transports, and freighters without showing themselves. To Americans, it looked like amoral behavior from the German state.
The US president, Woodrow Wilson, was also extremely keen on taking part in shaping the postwar settlement, not just to maximize US business opportunities but also to create an international order that would allow for peace over the long term, and without entering hostilities the US wouldn't be able to exert any shaping influence on the peace process. I think the most arguably mercenary motive at play in prompting US entry was the desire of American banks to safeguard the massive loans they'd made to the British and French governments. So yes, there were elements of self-interest in the motivation to enter the war as there inevitably are, but there was also a sort of moral calculus at play too that, however delusional it proved to be, sincerely aimed for a better future for all combatants.
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arminisgod
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This forum is nuts. America is the world's evil... But countries who kill their own people, have no regard for peoples freedom, and are hell bent on causing chaos are good???
You are living in fantasy land if you think America leaving the middle East would stop Iran being utter bells
You are living in fantasy land if you think America leaving the middle East would stop Iran being utter bells
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Not everyone thinks that way....just those that hate America anyway....,
arminisgod
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Yes they have.
Not sure anyone said the US is "the world's evil" but there are many Americans who don't buy the jingoistic view of America celebrated mindlessly by many (not saying that's you - it's a general statement). It's quite right to be proud of the many wonderful accomplishments of this country. It is also quite right to point out its many failings and not have such acknowledgment seen as a justification or excuse for the wrongs of another nation.
You are quite right the US leaving the Middle East will not prevent Iran from being utter bells. Nor will it prevent Saudi Arabia or Syria or Egypt or Israel from being utter bells. Not sure anyone thinks otherwise.
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