Hypothetical Martinez question

[The_La]

There seems to be a pattern emerging with the players at the club.

The Baines Mafia.

 

[SteveSC]

We have to bear in mind massive price inflation since Moyes was here. Talking about £5/6M now as if it were nothing is not correct. It was a large amount of cash then.

Do you always like trying to rewrite Everton's history to suit you pro Martinez buzz?

I don't know about you but i can remember many a season under Moye's wishing if only we had some funds available for him to go get the players we kept losing out on to other clubs.

 

[davek]

Do you always like trying to rewrite Everton's history to suit you pro Martinez buzz?

I don't know about you but i can remember many a season under Moye's wishing if only we had some funds available for him to go get the players we kept losing out on to other clubs.

He had a losers mentality and whatever big money signings he made on players who weren't good enough (Bilyaletdinov) or who he wasted the talents of (most of the forwards who came here under him). Greater funds for him wouldn't have shifted the dial much for us.

 

[SteveSC]

He had a losers mentality and whatever big money signings he made on players who weren't good enough (Bilyaletdinov) or who he wasted the talents of (most of the forwards who came here under him). Greater funds for him wouldn't have shifted the dial much for us.

Not disputing his ability.

I agree with most of what you have just said what i am disputing is that he of all the managers from him onward had it tougher financially.

He may well have squandered the type of cash Koeman saw but we will never know.

When we qualified for the champions league it would have been nice to give him some spending then push us on

 

[Jimmy Flangemoth]

Since Martinez' 2nd season in charge Everton have floundered on the pitch and the footy on offer has gone completely lifeless. When Koeman replaced him he stated he'd inherited the most unbalanced squad ever and had Everton playing the most boring togger I have witnessed. And currently, under Allardyce, the team can't even muster a shot on goal. It's embarrassing. I've been expecting Everton to 'click' since 2014/15; and 3 season later I'm still bored.

 

[efcste97]

Record number of points in 2013/14 season though, but of course that is all down to Moyes according to some. Martinez had to go cos he lost the dressing room which is the fault of the players, happened under Koeman also. What I do believe though is that he would of spent the money Koeman had on better players.

 

[Agent Blue]

He was terrible, but we're hardly pulling up trees right now. His philosophy was bang on, it's just a shame he was deluded, had no plan B and lost the dressing room.

And talked a load of shabite.

 

[tadao]

He tried to play the way Pep is playing now but, without the players to do it.
If, he had the money to spend (after the 1st season) that Koeman had, then we'd now be a lot happier watching the stuff on the pitch.
The fact that he/we didn't have the right players, should have encouraged a more pragmatic approach from him, until we got the team in place.
He wouldn't alter his ethos and he/we have suffered because of it. A chance missed imo.

 

[evertony]

Oh my god we were dreadful under him. Disturbingly short memories here

Martinez or Fat Sam? Only one choice there for me and it’d be glasses of sangria over jugs of gravy every single day of the week.

 

[Neiler]

For me Martinez problem was he was soft on players, ruined Ross in my opinion.

Was like having a substitute teacher in, players chilled out and lost their competitive edge.

 

[Tel001]

More hits in Martinez's transfer record here than misses. Moyes nought well at the £4-7M level but wasted a lot of cash on utter mince like Kroldrup and Beattie and Bilyaletdinov....and bought way too many 'signings for the future at the £1-2M mark who never made it.

You are joking aren't you?

Kone
Alcaraz
Mgeady
Robles
Mori
Jimmy mac
Niasse
Cleverley
Lennon

Not one of these players are good enough and apart from jimmy mac none were an improvement on what we had



Good signings
Holgate
Lukaku
Barry

 

[dannyboy]

For me Martinez problem was he was soft on players, ruined Ross in my opinion.

Was like having a substitute teacher in, players chilled out and lost their competitive edge.

Barkley could have been a completely different player now but absolutely no time was spent on the other side of his game. The 'do what you like' philosophy did nobody any favours whatsoever, especially Martinez since it cost him his job.

 

[Neiler]

Barkley could have been a completely different player now but absolutely no time was spent on the other side of his game. The 'do what you like' philosophy did nobody any favours whatsoever, especially Martine since it cost him his job.

Couldn’t agree more mate, he had an arm his shoulder being told he was world class when he needed a boot up the backside. He was to far gone I think when Koeman got him and ultimately he choose the easy out to Chelsea. Sad overall, I doubt he will amount to anything beyond a West Ham or Bourmouth.

 

[dannyboy]

Couldn’t agree more mate, he had an arm his shoulder being told he was world class when he needed a boot up the backside. He was to far gone I think when Koeman got him and ultimately he choose the easy out to Chelsea. Sad overall, I doubt he will amount to anything beyond a West Ham or Bourmouth.

I always thought Barkley would develop into a box to box midfielder, guess a combination of Martinez and his double leg break prevented that from becoming a reality.

Interesting to see how he does at Chelsea. I agree he might struggle but it's not as cut and dry as someone like Rodwell who had somehow acquired a reputation well beyond his ability.

 

[billyblue80]

Sadly not