Off topic, but tied in to the wilful blindness of the West, is the blind eyes turned by Western nations to the persecution of homosexuals outside of the West - including kidnap, torture and in extreme murder.
Not our problem.
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Off topic, but tied in to the wilful blindness of the West, is the blind eyes turned by Western nations to the persecution of homosexuals outside of the West - including kidnap, torture and in extreme murder.
Not our problem.
neil999
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goodness me i agree with you on something political lol
'We' is Western governments. Not you and me Pete.
I think he got that insinuation mate. And I think he disagreed with it.
As for myself, I somewhat agree with it, but my personal view is that we've been so paralysed by previous mistakes that we're now in a position of complete inaction because we're afraid to do anything. We are not pro-active, yet we're not even reactive. We are doing nothing and simply hand-wringing when things happen.
Mass deportation of all and any non English people and the last 2 generations of all people from all Nations.
I think Wahhab would find your thoughts on that rather amusing. That said, I think the concept of western meddling in Islamic lands as a prompt for terrorism is quite legitimate. I think attempting to separate Islamic terror from Islam and Islamic schools of thought, including that promoted by the host nation of the holiest of Islamic lands, is bizarre.
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peteblue
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Indeed.....it's like the previous suggestion that christian children should visit mosques....why? christian children are not the ones growing up into terrorists. Perhaps if someone suggested that children of the Islamic faith should visit christian churches then ISIS terrorists may stop coming from out of the Islamic faith.....but we will do what we always do, blame ourselves......
I would guess it's a little more nuanced than this, but your second comment is more on point than the first. Support for the Israeli state plays a big role in the current tensions between Western and Arabic nations. These issues are prior to the bombings by the West, prior to Bush I's invasion of Iraq/defense of Kuwait, prior to the 1979 Iranian revolution, prior to the six-day war, prior to the formation of the political state of Israel after WWII... do we start at the Crusades or look before that as well?
Placing blame on a single event is wrong, and looking for which events sparked the most fire is misleading. These tensions are slow-burning. The best efforts are at putting out the fires/tensions, and working with most recent events is probably the best place to start, but it's clearly a difficult task.
It can't be eradicated quickly, but it can be stifled easily. I'd start with not bombing the middle east, stop selling weapons to Saudi Arabia and cracking down on our tabloid media's Oswald Mosley approach to journalism.
It's a screwed up ideology, it's depressing and it makes no sense; you can't reason with it and you can't crush it with force. The need is to address what makes some young Muslims indoctrinated by this hatred for others, especially when many have been born and raised in western Europe.
It's a screwed up ideology, it's depressing and it makes no sense; you can't reason with it and you can't crush it with force. The need is to address what makes some young Muslims indoctrinated by this hatred for others, especially when many have been born and raised in western Europe.
That's waving the white flag of surrender for no reason and wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.
I agree with you that it can't simply be overwhelmed by force. But one thing I do find problematic going forward is the lack of binding resolve among opponents to Islamic terrorism. I'm certainly not advocating for a crusade-like mentality, but in a war of ideology, a smattering of tolerance, democratic values, progressivism, love, peace, pluralism etc. is no match for the life-encompassing nature of religious fervor. They (radicalized people and would-be terrorists) simply care more about their faith than we do about those vague concepts I mentioned.
dandydan
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I don't think those kids murdered last night had much input on the Balfour decleration.
I've quoted you in here mate because it's more appropriate than derailing the other thread.
I'm afraid that's not entirely true. They are Muslims, and don't do it without finding justification in their religious texts, they just cherry pick the bits that tie into their agenda. This then causes stigma against the majority of Muslims who don't believe such acts are permissable and lead peaceful lives. That's not unique to Islam, it's a problem for lots of religions and ideologies.
Completely agree with your last paragraph, it's on all of us to find a solution, not just pass the buck and claim it's a problem that the Muslim community must deal with.
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Might like to add the Christianity originates from the middle East too and up until recently had large numbers in many mid-eastern countries. I'm afraid to say it but there is a deep seated hatred of Christians and Jews in some places there, mass murders have been taking place and the western world has pretty much turned it's back. Children are being murdered left right and center over there, gay people thrown off roof tops, women murdered for affairs. It's pretty horrific and we have to be honest and not ignore that it's happening. Of course this is not a majority thing but it is happening and nobody should be going through it.
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