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I understand, and Im sure you are right. I just have the right to voice my disgust over the use of the word for someone who commits these atrocities.
Current Affairs How do we tackle terrorism?
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I understand, and Im sure you are right. I just have the right to voice my disgust over the use of the word for someone who commits these atrocities.
It will never be stopped. People will always have a reason to cause another person arm.
Being open and tolerant about another person religion is irrelevant, because terrorism will then spread....land ownership, wealth etc etc
The rise of the IS will pass, its an ideology. But another organisation, fighting another cause will rise
Mankind has been fighting wars for hundreds of years, and will continue to do so until we wipe our race from the planet
Being open and tolerant about another person religion is irrelevant, because terrorism will then spread....land ownership, wealth etc etc
The rise of the IS will pass, its an ideology. But another organisation, fighting another cause will rise
Mankind has been fighting wars for hundreds of years, and will continue to do so until we wipe our race from the planet
roydo
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Quite. Its also quite a construct to wonder why the heads of some terrorist groups appear to have quite a lot of money, from random sources, all underpinned by having an army of accolytes prepared to transmit terrorist acts to perpetuate said wealth creation.
Its moved on from protection rackets and prostitution, into oil, opium, and people trafficking, but the song remains the same.
bluestevon
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Don't go down the rabbit hole of examining the origins of a whole lot of these groups over the years either mate, not to mention dictators supported and regimes installed across the world in the interest of democracy - which was always a nice smokescreen.
the problems the west/russia and other nations now face are a direct result of prior and current actions.
Sadly those actions have progressed far too along to now be ever reversed or rectified
arminisgod
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Because they are doing nothing to stop it?
bluestevon
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Jesus Christ mate, pure red top paper hyperbole your spouting tonight.
arminisgod
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Not really. I live in a major Muslim area and My points stand. All terrorises are scum, whatever faith they follow.
But it gets right on my tits when people say the people doing aren't muslims. They are! Just like the crusaders were christians! They are all doing terrible things under the banner of their faith!
Now I'm pretty sure if I read the Quran I wouldn't be compelled to kill people but some people are and the Muslim community need to report these people to the police!
bluestevon
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Have you ever read the bible mate?
In the past many many people have killed and cited the bible as the reasons for doing so.
Does that make Christianity and all Christians responsible - ofc it doesn't
It is people twisting words to suit their agendas, simple as that.
As for the community doing more - i have no idea how many do speak out, or do notify about people they suspect are being radicalised - and i will bet anything neither do you either.
have a problem with the people doing so, the people radicalising those people as well, but to blame an entire religion and community of people is absolutely absurd.
barneygumble
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No I agree, but the difference is whilst not similar, but what I'm getting at... the way Church of England evolved from not being happy and Catholics, they kept what they liked and changed what they didn't.
What the Islamic state has done, is taken the all of the redeemable features of what makes a Muslim a Muslim and completely changed it.
Whilst I don't disagree, it's criminal and totally unfair that so many innocent, and importantly from yesterday selfless people are being tarred with this disgraceful brush which the Islamic state is.
My gripe was that so many people hear the word "Muslim" and associate it with "terrorism", like scousers and thieves.
Not singling anyone out, but everyone should be equal and that was what I meant by my statement.
bignev23
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I'm not an expert of course I'd say the wars and bombs dropped by The West since 9/11 have been the best recruitment advert for Islamic extremism imaginable ,they could be the fuel which keeps flames of terrorism burning brightly in Europe. If People think we've got it bad being at risk of attack here imagine living in Iraq Afghanistan Libya Syria Somalia Pakistan or Yemen all of which have came under attack from the US or UK with massive amounts of ordinance, in some places daily for months on end in the last 16 years killing innocent civilians women and children in numbers far higher than the attacks here have and almost nobody bats an eyelid until then it comes our way and the vicious circle continues. If everyone was as outraged and disgusted when The West kills innocent Islamic civilians or children as they are innocent Western civilians and children I doubt we'd be in this situation but the politicians drag us further into it because they're allowed to use such extreme methods with the backing of the majority of the general public under the disguise of making us safer.
samsonthedog1
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Education and pressuring the Muslim community to do a lot more. It shouldn't be down to the government to watch every Single person.
arminisgod
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I haven't blamed an entire religion for anything? What I mean is only muslims can defeat islamists terror. Only the immams and co can defeat it.
I'd imagine 90% of muslims are appalled by the butchers doing this just like 90% of christians would have been in the past. That 90% have to be the ones to tackle this issue. Any immams suspected of promoting extreme values should be grassed on and kicked out....
But they won't be
arminisgod
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bingo!
tsubaki
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Saying this is "a muslim problem" is to miss the point by quite a bit.
We in the West have basically removed nearly every positive political development (socialist, arab nationalist, even ba'athist and democratic Sunni) in the region over the past sixty years, and in the process have propped up, enriched and armed to the teeth the very people who invented and actively seek to spread (to the exclusion of any other version of Islam) the creed that is shared by these attackers. We let and are letting people get away with murder, literally and figuratively, solely because of the amount of money they spend on our arms and the amount of oil they control.
What is worse, there is very little likelihood that we will stop doing what we have been doing for so long. Just last week the current Government was threatening to attack Assad (number of attacks against the UK: 0) and a couple of days ago Trump was demanding that Iran dismantle its terror groups (recent attacks in the West: 0) and militias fighting in Syria and Iraq, even though they provide a large amount of the forces fighting IS and the other takfiri groups. We are even displaying a discreet silence about Erdogan's repeated threats to attack the SDF, who have achieved more than anyone else in fighting IS in Syria, are fighting towards Raqqa right now and who actually are a rebel group in Syria that deserves support. To put it another way - since Sunni fundamentalists attacked the US on 9/11, we have systematically invaded, threatened to invade or acquiesced at someone else invading almost every country in the Middle East that isn't run by Sunni fundamentalists.
If we want to deal with the phenomenon of Sunni / takfiri fundamentalism, we need to look at what we have done and are doing. Until we fix ourselves, its pointless to demand that other people (almost all of whom actually have embraced and engaged with the West and have nothing to do with these people (indeed most of them left their countries because of those people) or their nonsense) do something about it.
We in the West have basically removed nearly every positive political development (socialist, arab nationalist, even ba'athist and democratic Sunni) in the region over the past sixty years, and in the process have propped up, enriched and armed to the teeth the very people who invented and actively seek to spread (to the exclusion of any other version of Islam) the creed that is shared by these attackers. We let and are letting people get away with murder, literally and figuratively, solely because of the amount of money they spend on our arms and the amount of oil they control.
What is worse, there is very little likelihood that we will stop doing what we have been doing for so long. Just last week the current Government was threatening to attack Assad (number of attacks against the UK: 0) and a couple of days ago Trump was demanding that Iran dismantle its terror groups (recent attacks in the West: 0) and militias fighting in Syria and Iraq, even though they provide a large amount of the forces fighting IS and the other takfiri groups. We are even displaying a discreet silence about Erdogan's repeated threats to attack the SDF, who have achieved more than anyone else in fighting IS in Syria, are fighting towards Raqqa right now and who actually are a rebel group in Syria that deserves support. To put it another way - since Sunni fundamentalists attacked the US on 9/11, we have systematically invaded, threatened to invade or acquiesced at someone else invading almost every country in the Middle East that isn't run by Sunni fundamentalists.
If we want to deal with the phenomenon of Sunni / takfiri fundamentalism, we need to look at what we have done and are doing. Until we fix ourselves, its pointless to demand that other people (almost all of whom actually have embraced and engaged with the West and have nothing to do with these people (indeed most of them left their countries because of those people) or their nonsense) do something about it.
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