bazzer25
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Well you know how the old idiom goes, "A picture is worth a thousand words".
Current Affairs How do we tackle terrorism?
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Obvs m8.
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I said they were UN sanctions and yes obviously they came about because Iraq invaded Kuwait but they still went ahead with it knowing that it would cause a huge death toll. The Oil for food programme was not offered to Iraq until a year after the sanctions had started and it was a complete train wreck from start to finish, suffering from huge corruption.
Also no one said the sanctions give muslims the right to kill small children, thats you projecting. The sanctions however were often used as a justification for terrorist attacks by the terrorists themselves and the sanctions also helped create a lot of hostility towards the west.
None of this also changes the fact that there is undoubted apathy amongst western governments towards potential civilian deaths in muslim countries.
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AndyC
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You accept some of your comments were a bit emotive... fine, well done.
So why then launch into a tirade of thinly disguised swearing ?
By all means discuss and debate, but leave the bad language out of it please.
lancs blue
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where do we go from the sick and needless events of Monday night? I don't have any answers but all I can say is what's happening with the minset of others etc cannot continue. Actions speak louder than words from those who can influence change
Boss_Blue
I will find you and consensually bum you
Amazing how fear can cause otherwise sensible and intelligent posters to lose their minds and start behaving like Daily Mail readers.
- destroy all ISIS strongholds in the middle east by military means
ISIS strongholds in occupied urban areas are deliberately placed to use human shields - but as we have already ascertained, it's okay to kill innocent children as long as we were aiming at the tithead next to them.
You need boots on the ground and that always ends well for the west (*cough Taliban *cough) so why don't we support the local military? Oh yeah, we disbanded the Iraq armed forces then hastily recruited when we realised our mistake - but by then ISIS had a handy power vacuum to take hold in and recruit from...
- Round up all the known ISIS recruiters and lock them up
This is next level genius - quick someone brief the police as I'm sure they haven't thought of this. While you're at it make sure you tell them the names, locations and evidence of the culprits as well as the funding and expertise to round up all those overseas whoppers as well (or vote to leave the EU as that'll work just as well).
Jesus wept.
- destroy all ISIS strongholds in the middle east by military means
ISIS strongholds in occupied urban areas are deliberately placed to use human shields - but as we have already ascertained, it's okay to kill innocent children as long as we were aiming at the tithead next to them.
You need boots on the ground and that always ends well for the west (*cough Taliban *cough) so why don't we support the local military? Oh yeah, we disbanded the Iraq armed forces then hastily recruited when we realised our mistake - but by then ISIS had a handy power vacuum to take hold in and recruit from...
- Round up all the known ISIS recruiters and lock them up
This is next level genius - quick someone brief the police as I'm sure they haven't thought of this. While you're at it make sure you tell them the names, locations and evidence of the culprits as well as the funding and expertise to round up all those overseas whoppers as well (or vote to leave the EU as that'll work just as well).
Jesus wept.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
And your solution is ?....
I found this very interesting this morning. I thought similar and believe that that particular gig was chosen as a target rather than the Arena - the twisted ideology of the radical extremists would hate the concept of young girls having fun and being entertained by another young woman strutting her stuff on stage.
Slightly off topic, but related - the report on the Trojan Horse inquiry into radicalisation of Birmingham Schools is available on .gov.uk website. I had to read it for a work-related matter. It might be one of the most disturbing pieces of information I have ever read and shows the lengths that radical extremists will go to to ensure their ideology is the only opinion available. It was a big shock for a peace loving old hippie like me who always thinks "people aren't really like that"
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-celebrating-freedom-resistance-a7753316.html
Make no mistake about it: the Manchester attack had everything to do with young women
Women and girls don’t have to carry Kalashnikovs to strike fear into the hearts of medieval-minded murderers. They just have to remain defiant in the face of oppression, joyous and liberated and unhidden
Ariana Grande was performing at the Manchester Arena as part of her Dangerous Woman tour
I have two younger sisters, and it was them who I imagined when I saw the video of young girls screaming and running away from the scene of the Manchester terror attack on Monday night. They especially came to mind when I saw the picture of 19-year-old Chloe Rutherford and Liam Curry, a young couple from South Shields – just four miles away from my hometown of Newcastle – dressed up for their night out and captured in a selfie they sent to one of their parents. Booking tickets to a concert like Ariana Grande’s and a night in a Premier Inn in Manchester or Liverpool was one of the “big treats” one of my sisters would often arrange as an older teenager: a trip with a boyfriend, an affordable adventure a couple of hours down from Newcastle in one of the bigger northern cities.
Like many people across the country, I looked at that photo this week and thought: it could so easily have been her.
Make no mistake about it: the attack at Manchester Arena was an attack on young women. Violent fundamentalists often find young women enjoying themselves the most infuriating prospect – young, free women singing, dancing, expressing their sexuality and generally existing independently aren’t just irritating to them; they are frightening. They represent a challenge to severe, religious male authority and a resistance to control, to becoming subservient, to acting as incubators for “cubs of the Caliphate”.
It feels particularly pertinent that the album Ariana Grande was promoting on her tour this week was called Dangerous Woman.
The thing Isis-sympathising extremists hate the most is the idea of women being equal and self-determining, because it throws a spanner in the works of the Isis machine. If women are seen as people, rather than objects to be auctioned off then repeatedly impregnated, their particular idea of an “Islamic state” ceases to exist. If women’s sexuality doesn’t belong to the husband the group has chosen for them, if its expression is given free rein, then the churn of unquestioned ideology is disrupted and the state can no longer self-perpetuate. Women must only exist in relation to men.
That’s why a 23-year-old woman who performs in bikini tops and bras, to hordes of adoring teenage fans, feels like such a threat to a group of frustrated megalomaniac men obsessed with a twisted version of jihad.
“I am eternally grateful to be able to do what I love with you by my side,” she wrote five weeks ago, after the first leg of the Dangerous Woman tour. “It is a gift that I will never take for granted!” One of the first pictures that emerged of 18-year-old Georgina Callander, the first victim to be confirmed killed in the attack, showed her posing with the singer’s arms around her.
It seems bizarre, even perversely laughable, to think that a group of teenage girls in cat ears and pink T-shirts could scare the life out of an army of gun-toting men whose hallmark is gruesome public beheadings. In fact, Isis’ fear of women has been long recorded: it was the reason an all-female platoon of Kurdish fighters travelled to northern Syria last year, claiming that Isis fighters prefer to steer clear of women with guns because they believe that they only go to heaven as martyrs if they are killed by a man.
But women and girls don’t have to carry Kalashnikovs to strike fear into the hearts of medieval-minded murderers. They just have to remain defiant in the face of oppression, joyous and liberated and unhidden. That alone marks them out as threatening enough to a twisted mind – so threatening that it turns them into a target for terrorism.
It is, of course, deeply saddening that our very existence as autonomous young women is seen in this way by anybody, but there is also a power in it.
We mustn’t be afraid to exercise that power, to revel in our choices and identities and express ourselves without apology; to continue in even more vibrancy than before; to show that there are too many of us to be beaten. We must never be cowed out of being our independent female selves because Isis fear and hate us. We must embrace being, in the words of Ariana Grande, dangerous women.
Slightly off topic, but related - the report on the Trojan Horse inquiry into radicalisation of Birmingham Schools is available on .gov.uk website. I had to read it for a work-related matter. It might be one of the most disturbing pieces of information I have ever read and shows the lengths that radical extremists will go to to ensure their ideology is the only opinion available. It was a big shock for a peace loving old hippie like me who always thinks "people aren't really like that"
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-celebrating-freedom-resistance-a7753316.html
Make no mistake about it: the Manchester attack had everything to do with young women
Women and girls don’t have to carry Kalashnikovs to strike fear into the hearts of medieval-minded murderers. They just have to remain defiant in the face of oppression, joyous and liberated and unhidden
I have two younger sisters, and it was them who I imagined when I saw the video of young girls screaming and running away from the scene of the Manchester terror attack on Monday night. They especially came to mind when I saw the picture of 19-year-old Chloe Rutherford and Liam Curry, a young couple from South Shields – just four miles away from my hometown of Newcastle – dressed up for their night out and captured in a selfie they sent to one of their parents. Booking tickets to a concert like Ariana Grande’s and a night in a Premier Inn in Manchester or Liverpool was one of the “big treats” one of my sisters would often arrange as an older teenager: a trip with a boyfriend, an affordable adventure a couple of hours down from Newcastle in one of the bigger northern cities.
Like many people across the country, I looked at that photo this week and thought: it could so easily have been her.
Make no mistake about it: the attack at Manchester Arena was an attack on young women. Violent fundamentalists often find young women enjoying themselves the most infuriating prospect – young, free women singing, dancing, expressing their sexuality and generally existing independently aren’t just irritating to them; they are frightening. They represent a challenge to severe, religious male authority and a resistance to control, to becoming subservient, to acting as incubators for “cubs of the Caliphate”.
It feels particularly pertinent that the album Ariana Grande was promoting on her tour this week was called Dangerous Woman.
The thing Isis-sympathising extremists hate the most is the idea of women being equal and self-determining, because it throws a spanner in the works of the Isis machine. If women are seen as people, rather than objects to be auctioned off then repeatedly impregnated, their particular idea of an “Islamic state” ceases to exist. If women’s sexuality doesn’t belong to the husband the group has chosen for them, if its expression is given free rein, then the churn of unquestioned ideology is disrupted and the state can no longer self-perpetuate. Women must only exist in relation to men.
That’s why a 23-year-old woman who performs in bikini tops and bras, to hordes of adoring teenage fans, feels like such a threat to a group of frustrated megalomaniac men obsessed with a twisted version of jihad.
“I am eternally grateful to be able to do what I love with you by my side,” she wrote five weeks ago, after the first leg of the Dangerous Woman tour. “It is a gift that I will never take for granted!” One of the first pictures that emerged of 18-year-old Georgina Callander, the first victim to be confirmed killed in the attack, showed her posing with the singer’s arms around her.
It seems bizarre, even perversely laughable, to think that a group of teenage girls in cat ears and pink T-shirts could scare the life out of an army of gun-toting men whose hallmark is gruesome public beheadings. In fact, Isis’ fear of women has been long recorded: it was the reason an all-female platoon of Kurdish fighters travelled to northern Syria last year, claiming that Isis fighters prefer to steer clear of women with guns because they believe that they only go to heaven as martyrs if they are killed by a man.
But women and girls don’t have to carry Kalashnikovs to strike fear into the hearts of medieval-minded murderers. They just have to remain defiant in the face of oppression, joyous and liberated and unhidden. That alone marks them out as threatening enough to a twisted mind – so threatening that it turns them into a target for terrorism.
It is, of course, deeply saddening that our very existence as autonomous young women is seen in this way by anybody, but there is also a power in it.
We mustn’t be afraid to exercise that power, to revel in our choices and identities and express ourselves without apology; to continue in even more vibrancy than before; to show that there are too many of us to be beaten. We must never be cowed out of being our independent female selves because Isis fear and hate us. We must embrace being, in the words of Ariana Grande, dangerous women.
Why do we need a solution Pete? Seriously. Are we really suggesting that any of us know more about this than GCHQ or people in the MoD?
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I found this very interesting this morning. I thought similar and believe that that particular gig was chosen as a target rather than the Arena - the twisted ideology of the radical extremists would hate the concept of young girls having fun and being entertained by another young woman strutting her stuff on stage.
Slightly off topic, but related - the report on the Trojan Horse inquiry into radicalisation of Birmingham Schools is available on .gov.uk website. I had to read it for a work-related matter. It might be one of the most disturbing pieces of information I have ever read and shows the lengths that radical extremists will go to to ensure their ideology is the only opinion available. It was a big shock for a peace loving old hippie like me who always thinks "people aren't really like that"
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-celebrating-freedom-resistance-a7753316.html
Make no mistake about it: the Manchester attack had everything to do with young women
Women and girls don’t have to carry Kalashnikovs to strike fear into the hearts of medieval-minded murderers. They just have to remain defiant in the face of oppression, joyous and liberated and unhidden
Ariana Grande was performing at the Manchester Arena as part of her Dangerous Woman tour
I have two younger sisters, and it was them who I imagined when I saw the video of young girls screaming and running away from the scene of the Manchester terror attack on Monday night. They especially came to mind when I saw the picture of 19-year-old Chloe Rutherford and Liam Curry, a young couple from South Shields – just four miles away from my hometown of Newcastle – dressed up for their night out and captured in a selfie they sent to one of their parents. Booking tickets to a concert like Ariana Grande’s and a night in a Premier Inn in Manchester or Liverpool was one of the “big treats” one of my sisters would often arrange as an older teenager: a trip with a boyfriend, an affordable adventure a couple of hours down from Newcastle in one of the bigger northern cities.
Like many people across the country, I looked at that photo this week and thought: it could so easily have been her.
Make no mistake about it: the attack at Manchester Arena was an attack on young women. Violent fundamentalists often find young women enjoying themselves the most infuriating prospect – young, free women singing, dancing, expressing their sexuality and generally existing independently aren’t just irritating to them; they are frightening. They represent a challenge to severe, religious male authority and a resistance to control, to becoming subservient, to acting as incubators for “cubs of the Caliphate”.
It feels particularly pertinent that the album Ariana Grande was promoting on her tour this week was called Dangerous Woman.
The thing Isis-sympathising extremists hate the most is the idea of women being equal and self-determining, because it throws a spanner in the works of the Isis machine. If women are seen as people, rather than objects to be auctioned off then repeatedly impregnated, their particular idea of an “Islamic state” ceases to exist. If women’s sexuality doesn’t belong to the husband the group has chosen for them, if its expression is given free rein, then the churn of unquestioned ideology is disrupted and the state can no longer self-perpetuate. Women must only exist in relation to men.
That’s why a 23-year-old woman who performs in bikini tops and bras, to hordes of adoring teenage fans, feels like such a threat to a group of frustrated megalomaniac men obsessed with a twisted version of jihad.
Take a look at Ariana Grande’s Instagram feed, with its 106 million followers, and you’ll see an endless array of posts addressing her female fans directly: “Thankyou sooo very much for making this year so special and for showing this album so much love. Really. Not just the singles, y’all really sunk into this with me and that is what means more than anything! You became a part of it. You gave every song on this album so much love and life and you so have nooo idea. My heart is so full!!!! Thankyouuuuu thankyou for being by my side and showing me the love, dedication and support that you do. It’s so unbelievable to me and always will be,” reads a post that was published four days ago.
“I am eternally grateful to be able to do what I love with you by my side,” she wrote five weeks ago, after the first leg of the Dangerous Woman tour. “It is a gift that I will never take for granted!” One of the first pictures that emerged of 18-year-old Georgina Callander, the first victim to be confirmed killed in the attack, showed her posing with the singer’s arms around her.
It seems bizarre, even perversely laughable, to think that a group of teenage girls in cat ears and pink T-shirts could scare the life out of an army of gun-toting men whose hallmark is gruesome public beheadings. In fact, Isis’ fear of women has been long recorded: it was the reason an all-female platoon of Kurdish fighters travelled to northern Syria last year, claiming that Isis fighters prefer to steer clear of women with guns because they believe that they only go to heaven as martyrs if they are killed by a man.
But women and girls don’t have to carry Kalashnikovs to strike fear into the hearts of medieval-minded murderers. They just have to remain defiant in the face of oppression, joyous and liberated and unhidden. That alone marks them out as threatening enough to a twisted mind – so threatening that it turns them into a target for terrorism.
It is, of course, deeply saddening that our very existence as autonomous young women is seen in this way by anybody, but there is also a power in it.
We mustn’t be afraid to exercise that power, to revel in our choices and identities and express ourselves without apology; to continue in even more vibrancy than before; to show that there are too many of us to be beaten. We must never be cowed out of being our independent female selves because Isis fear and hate us. We must embrace being, in the words of Ariana Grande, dangerous women.
Great post, and it does strike a chord as a future potential way of closing them down....
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Perhaps because the thread is entitled 'how do we tackle terrorism' ?.....
Billy Dean
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Billy Dean
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peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Oh, and to your second point, of course we don't, but nor do we know what they would really like to do to resolve this, and I'll bet it's not carry on as usual......
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