tsubaki
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Indeed. If it turns out this was a network that grew out of / was associated with the anti-Gaddafi rebels then there is a very good chance we funded and trained it.
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Indeed. If it turns out this was a network that grew out of / was associated with the anti-Gaddafi rebels then there is a very good chance we funded and trained it.
So is this being written off as another "one off incident" here or what?
Important reading.
Billy Dean
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I think incompetent is generous. They probably knew exactly what the consequences might be and didn't care
Boss_Blue
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Which is incredibly concerning.
In reality though, it kinda is. We barely get one terrorist incident in the UK per year. Terrible though the event was, this isn't something that happens all the time. Over 1,700 people die each year on our roads, for instance. Bit of perspective is key here.
evilwebby
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Yes. Terrorism is not something that just happens in a vacuum. It is always the result of oppression at a govermental level. In a world where everyone has their fingers in everyone else's pie, escalating terror is an inevitable result. We simply have no business getting involved in other countries' internal affairs. People says "but Hitler rolled his tanks into Poland to start WWII".. yes, but even this was largely the result of a complex set of policies in place and not something that itself happened in a vacuum. Less goverment is how to foster peace and cooperation for all peoples.
Billy Dean
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I was with you up to your last sentence
Boss_Blue
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Like how you slipped that one in there, Theresa...
I'd amend that to 'effective' government though, or even 'human rights focused' government.
This isn't solely for the UK though, how many of those attacks have happened across Europe with the same excuse? "It's just a one off" is something I've heard more often than I'd like from (and I know I'll get in trouble for using this word) apologists, and it's just simply not a one off, and never was.
Also the UK knew about this guy and did nothing... Honestly, why?
peteblue
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Colonel Richard Kemp, ex head of COBRA... On good morning Britain...
"The problem is that there are 3,000 known jihadists on the streets of the UK today, our intelligence services, our police services, no matter how good they are they can’t monitor all of them, they can’t control all of them.”...
"Colonel Kemp insisted that the only way to help them was to deport those who pose a threat, commenting: “Every single person who we have intelligence upon, who is known to be involved in terrorism, who is not a UK citizen, and who we cannot prosecute in this court, we deport and send them back to where they came from.
“We do not allow them to roam free on our streets and murder and maim and disfigure our children like they did in Manchester.”
Kate raised the point that Salman Abedi, who detonated an improvised explosive device (IED) as children and their parents left the Manchester Arena on Monday night, was a British citizen, which meant he could not be deported.
But Colonel Kemp hit back: “I’m well aware of the complications but we don’t have to make excuses because there are complications, if he is a British citizen then we intern him if he can’t be deported.”
"The problem is that there are 3,000 known jihadists on the streets of the UK today, our intelligence services, our police services, no matter how good they are they can’t monitor all of them, they can’t control all of them.”...
"Colonel Kemp insisted that the only way to help them was to deport those who pose a threat, commenting: “Every single person who we have intelligence upon, who is known to be involved in terrorism, who is not a UK citizen, and who we cannot prosecute in this court, we deport and send them back to where they came from.
“We do not allow them to roam free on our streets and murder and maim and disfigure our children like they did in Manchester.”
Kate raised the point that Salman Abedi, who detonated an improvised explosive device (IED) as children and their parents left the Manchester Arena on Monday night, was a British citizen, which meant he could not be deported.
But Colonel Kemp hit back: “I’m well aware of the complications but we don’t have to make excuses because there are complications, if he is a British citizen then we intern him if he can’t be deported.”
But they won't do that, it won't happen on the scale it should.
It might happen with a handful of jihadists, which will be dubbed a "success" of some sort, for some reason, and then same song and dance a few months later.
This isn't to say it should be brushed off or treated lightly, merely that we should be careful not to go overboard. A disproportionate response gives ISIS a victory just as much as any overt attack does.
orchard
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Speaking of Libya something occured in a british court a couple of weeks ago that in its own way is probably as baffling as the security service's failure to monitor Abedi.Two weeks ago the prosecution of the principal suspect in the 1984 killing of WPC Yvonne Fletcher - Saleh Ibrahim Mabrouk - was dropped 'on grounds of national security'. In layman's terms what happened was the British government refused to release the evidence it held on Mabrouk so forcing the collapse of the case against him.This was an absolutely astonishing development and it reminded me of the case of the irish republican informer Denis Donaldson a decade ago. Charges against Donaldson you may remember were dropped when it was revealed he had been spying on irish republicans for the british security services for decades. You dont have to be einstein then to work out why the UK government might want to protect Mabrouk ie was it protecting an asset? It's certainly all very odd.
But what we do know for sure is that in the space of two weeks Theresa May's government has intervened to protect the chief suspect in an infamous and unsolved killing and overseen one of the most massive failures of intelligence of recent times - a failure which cost 22 lives.”
https://rodolfowalshglasses.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/theresa-may-has-serious-questions-to.html?m=1
Speaking of Libya something occured in a british court a couple of weeks ago that in its own way is probably as baffling as the security service's failure to monitor Abedi.Two weeks ago the prosecution of the principal suspect in the 1984 killing of WPC Yvonne Fletcher - Saleh Ibrahim Mabrouk - was dropped 'on grounds of national security'. In layman's terms what happened was the British government refused to release the evidence it held on Mabrouk so forcing the collapse of the case against him.This was an absolutely astonishing development and it reminded me of the case of the irish republican informer Denis Donaldson a decade ago. Charges against Donaldson you may remember were dropped when it was revealed he had been spying on irish republicans for the british security services for decades. You dont have to be einstein then to work out why the UK government might want to protect Mabrouk ie was it protecting an asset? It's certainly all very odd.
But what we do know for sure is that in the space of two weeks Theresa May's government has intervened to protect the chief suspect in an infamous and unsolved killing and overseen one of the most massive failures of intelligence of recent times - a failure which cost 22 lives.”
https://rodolfowalshglasses.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/theresa-may-has-serious-questions-to.html?m=1
orchard
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More apology. Despite a raft of very invasive legislation and massive increase in budget and manpower, the current and previous Government and Home Secretary's have failed to enact the simplest of systems. Or it was ignored as he was considered 'one of ours'.
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