Current Affairs How do we tackle terrorism?

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peteblue said:
That's it, you carry on defending the terrorists, or freedom fighters as you would call them.......no wonder we will never defeat terrorism, there are too many willing to excuse it......oh and it's all the fault of the British again......
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How is he defending the terrorists?

Or rather, how aren't you defending them given that what you want to do is guaranteed to massively boost the number of terrorists this country faces?
 
peteblue said:
This has nothing to do with Muslims and everything to do with extremist terrorists. The troubles in NI had nothing to do with being Irish or Catholic or Protestant and everything to do with extremist terrorists. We don't have to fight Muslims or Islam just the extremists, but we should be ruthless in doing so. The waters get muddied when liberals try to include everybody and therefore reasons why nothing can be done. Things can be done. Remove known extremists, remove known instigators of violence, remove known ISIS fighters. Until we have the moral courage to face up to this, expect many more tributes and vigils and flowers......
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Its everything to do with the Islamist Cult and their logic of our beliefs are best. Rid the world of everyone who doesn't believe in the Cult yet they're happy enough to live freely amongst us and go out of their way to force their beliefs on secular society which is totally unacceptable.
Also absolutely incomparable to the North which is about territory. The Islamic Cult only care about the Cult. They despise secularism and therefore me and you.
 
tsubaki said:
How is he defending the terrorists?

Or rather, how aren't you defending them given that what you want to do is guaranteed to massively boost the number of terrorists this country faces?
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I raised the issue of terrorists from both sides of the divide. He chose, as usual to say it was a British occupation etc etc without even referring to what the other paramilitaries were doing. He shows a singular view of Irish republicanism which was neither my point nor issue. My point was just one of terrorism.

Not addressing the terrorists because we would 'guarantee' to massively boost their numbers is just plain cowardice to address the issue. It may well flush out even more, but we have to find them anyway. This will not be concluded or eased with a 'good Friday agreement', it will be concluded when attitudes change and real integration takes place, but we still have to remove those that promote hate and those who we already know have used violence on behalf of ISIS....
 
peteblue said:
That's it, you carry on defending the terrorists, or freedom fighters as you would call them.......no wonder we will never defeat terrorism, there are too many willing to excuse it......oh and it's all the fault of the British again......
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Until you are willing to take accountability and actually solve the real problem then it is mindsets like yours that will only exacerbate the problem.
 
bazzer25 said:
I think there are plenty that take it seriously mate.
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Maybe in some places mate but not over here anymore anyways. When priests fiddle with kids and nuns sell girls babies off for adoption it tends to put people off the who Christianity church thing. Still I got a few bob for my confirmation n bought a 1980's Everton Shell Suit so that was fairly decent of the old Christianity Cult I suppose
 
peteblue said:
Not addressing the terrorists because we would 'guarantee' to massively boost their numbers is just plain cowardice to address the issue. It may well flush out even more, but we have to find them anyway. This will not be concluded or eased with a 'good Friday agreement', it will be concluded when attitudes change and real integration takes place, but we still have to remove those that promote hate and those who we already know have used violence on behalf of ISIS....
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There are loads of things wrong with this. For a start, it assumes that terrorists aren't being addressed - they are, that is why there has been four "successful" Sunni / takfiri plots in twelve years, with considerably more foiled and vast efforts devoted to ensuring that people don't fall for the belief in the first place.

Secondly, you describe internment running the risk of "flushing out" even more - that isn't the experience of Ireland; people were radicalized because innocent people were locked up. Interning people would result in creating more terrorists, not "flushing them out".

Finally you make the mistake of believing this fundamentalist crisis wouldn't be ended with a negotiated peace. If the situation in Syria, Libya and Iraq can be settled by talks, IS itself would be finished. Don't forget that most of the reason why the tide has turned against them (over the past year and a bit) is because everyone else is talking to each other - admittedly they are at the "we won't shoot you if you don't shoot us" stage, but even that is allowing a very limited co-ordination of effort.

If you can then build on that and get better relations with the more reasonable states in the region, calm the situation down and allow peace and prosperity to take root, then it wouldn't be too long before the people of a different country who ultimately inspire and fund this madness get overthrown.
 
tsubaki said:
There are loads of things wrong with this. For a start, it assumes that terrorists aren't being addressed - they are, that is why there has been four "successful" Sunni / takfiri plots in twelve years, with considerably more foiled and vast efforts devoted to ensuring that people don't fall for the belief in the first place.

Secondly, you describe internment running the risk of "flushing out" even more - that isn't the experience of Ireland; people were radicalized because innocent people were locked up. Interning people would result in creating more terrorists, not "flushing them out".

Finally you make the mistake of believing this fundamentalist crisis wouldn't be ended with a negotiated peace. If the situation in Syria, Libya and Iraq can be settled by talks, IS itself would be finished. Don't forget that most of the reason why the tide has turned against them (over the past year and a bit) is because everyone else is talking to each other - admittedly they are at the "we won't shoot you if you don't shoot us" stage, but even that is allowing a very limited co-ordination of effort.

If you can then build on that and get better relations with the more reasonable states in the region, calm the situation down and allow peace and prosperity to take root, then it wouldn't be too long before the people of a different country who ultimately inspire and fund this madness get overthrown.
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Who do you negotiate with ?....
 
John23 said:
Maybe in some places mate but not over here anymore anyways. When priests fiddle with kids and nuns sell girls babies off for adoption it tends to put people off the who Christianity church thing. Still I got a few bob for my confirmation n bought a 1980's Everton Shell Suit so that was fairly decent of the old Christianity Cult I suppose
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That's the same kind of statement that people make when they call all muslims terrorists. Even people of no religion do those things so let's not try to label everybody, eh? It may be an experience you have had but it's not the same experience for everyone is it?
 
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