Current Affairs How do we tackle terrorism?

[carolinablue232]

There was never any reasoning to be done with this ideology. Stewart Lee did a stand-up on it - they want the obliteration of western culture; that isn't a negotiation starting point.

Just wipe them out, honestly. Military intervention, anywhere they have a stronghold, absolutely destroy them, over and over again. Stamp on the cockroaches as soon as you see one.

A large problem seems to be failure in shutting down the recruitment these groups do. We're at a point now where we're trying to cut off the heads, and in doing so there are consistent civilian casualties and issues with un-targeted destruction. Should thousands innocents die to get to the leaders of these groups? Terrorist groups are going to use that as propaganda to say the west is evil and recruit more to their horrific cause. Some impacted families might make that determination on their own. We need to be as targeted as we can with our military efforts to eliminate the existing threats, but unfortunately there doesn't really seem to be a good option at the moment.

One thing might be to arm and train citizens in the stronghold countries who oppose the radicals already. Help them help us and themselves.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Just wipe them out, honestly. Military intervention, anywhere they have a stronghold, absolutely destroy them, over and over again. Stamp on the cockroaches as soon as you see one.

Yeah that'll sort it, we could call it the War on Terror.....

Oh wait.

 

[arminisgod]

People think Muslim's are exclusive to the Middle East and Africa. Eden Hazard, Pogba and Besic are amongst a large contingent of devout Muslim football players - I'm certain they don't harbour extremist views.

Eden Hazard is not a muslim. Thats a [Poor language removed] internet rumour

 

[arminisgod]

You seemed to be suggesting that the ultimate end goal of all Muslims is to convert or kill.

Kill is over the top. But Islam as a religion has a goal of conversion

 

[ToffeeTim]

So yet again it seems this bomber was known to not just British intelligence but also France and America. Really frustrating.

 

[arminisgod]

Quote from: puroresu_kid on Yesterday at 11:58:19 PM
Damn right. As a mixed race person I am very wary of the police as I don't trust them.

As a Muslim I certainly don't trust them. The ridiculous ideas like Muslims spying on each other were just stupid.

What do people think happens in mosques? I swear some people actually think people plot terroism in mosques.

I've had friends mention to me how the security services have approached them asking them to work for them and be some kind of snitch.

It's not up to us to police. That's not our job.

As for the wider context the UK doesn't need to get involved in conflicts that have nothing to do with them.

That was posted on another forum. it highlights what ive been trying to say, the Muslim community are not doing enough.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Quote from: puroresu_kid on Yesterday at 11:58:19 PM
Damn right. As a mixed race person I am very wary of the police as I don't trust them.

As a Muslim I certainly don't trust them. The ridiculous ideas like Muslims spying on each other were just stupid.

What do people think happens in mosques? I swear some people actually think people plot terroism in mosques.

I've had friends mention to me how the security services have approached them asking them to work for them and be some kind of snitch.

It's not up to us to police. That's not our job.

As for the wider context the UK doesn't need to get involved in conflicts that have nothing to do with them.

That was posted on another forum. it highlights what ive been trying to say, the Muslim community are not doing enough.

It highlights that he doesn't recognise that there's any form of issue in his mosque.

 

[Billy Dean]

Quote from: puroresu_kid on Yesterday at 11:58:19 PM
Damn right. As a mixed race person I am very wary of the police as I don't trust them.

As a Muslim I certainly don't trust them. The ridiculous ideas like Muslims spying on each other were just stupid.

What do people think happens in mosques? I swear some people actually think people plot terroism in mosques.

I've had friends mention to me how the security services have approached them asking them to work for them and be some kind of snitch.

It's not up to us to police. That's not our job.

As for the wider context the UK doesn't need to get involved in conflicts that have nothing to do with them.

That was posted on another forum. it highlights what ive been trying to say, the Muslim community are not doing enough.

Ah yes, I remember the day puroresu_kid was nominated as grand representative of the entire muslim community

 

[Billy Dean]

We also need to crack down hard on hotbeds of christian terrorism that are cropping up around the world:

George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a senior Palestinian politician in an interview to be broadcast by the BBC later this month.

Mr Bush revealed the extent of his religious fervour when he met a Palestinian delegation during the Israeli-Palestinian summit at the Egpytian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, four months after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

In it he portrays a prime minister determined to follow a Christian agenda despite attempts to silence him from talking about his faith.

"While he was at Number 10, Tony was virtually gagged on the whole question of religion," says Mr Burton.

"Alastair [Campbell] was convinced it would get him into trouble with the voters.

"But Tony's Christian faith is part of him, down to his cotton socks. He believed strongly at the time, that intervention in Kosovo, Sierra Leone – Iraq too – was all part of the Christian battle; good should triumph over evil, making lives better."

Mr Burton, who was often described as Mr Blair's mentor, says that his religion gave him a "total belief in what's right and what's wrong", leading him to see the so-called War on Terror as "a moral cause".

"I truly believe that his Christianity affected his policy-making on just about everything from aid to Africa, education, poverty, world debt and intervening in other countries when he thought it was right to do it.

"The fervour was part of him and it comes back to it being Christian fervour that spurred him into action for better or worse."

Mr Burton says that inherent in Mr Blair's faith was the belief that people should be treated fairly: "He applied that same principle in everything he did – from establishing the Social Exclusion Unit to ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, and ridding Iraq of the evils of Saddam Hussein's rule."

 

[peteblue]

This has nothing to do with Muslims and everything to do with extremist terrorists. The troubles in NI had nothing to do with being Irish or Catholic or Protestant and everything to do with extremist terrorists. We don't have to fight Muslims or Islam just the extremists, but we should be ruthless in doing so. The waters get muddied when liberals try to include everybody and therefore reasons why nothing can be done. Things can be done. Remove known extremists, remove known instigators of violence, remove known ISIS fighters. Until we have the moral courage to face up to this, expect many more tributes and vigils and flowers......

 

[bluestevon]

Kill is over the top. But Islam as a religion has a goal of conversion

As does Christianity

 

[dandydan]

If you're finding it hard to understand how people can irrationally hate an entire race/nationality/religion, a mirror might be your best aid?

still doesnt answer the contradiction.

 

[Tubey]

Yeah that'll sort it, we could call it the War on Terror.....

Oh wait.

Again, just because you make mistakes in the past, doesn't mean you shouldn't learn from them and act again.

You do realise terrorist attacks, specifically Islamic extremism, happened long before George W Bush and Tony Blair and the "War on Terror" right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

Military action in itself hasn't caused anything, unless you go back long, long before then to CIA backing of the Mujahideen in the Afghan/Soviet War, or the Balfour Declaration - military action has merely exacerbated an existing issue because we've made stupid errors and totally misunderstood the situation in the Middle East, which has been the case for a long time.

So yes, my view is you learn from those mistakes; not just retreat into your shell and fear do anything because you made them.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

A problem is that the Muslim community is highly splintered and strongly influenced by outside forces

There isn't really a "Muslim community" to speak of

 

[Billy Dean]

Again, just because you make mistakes in the past, doesn't mean you shouldn't learn from them and act again.

You do realise terrorist attacks, specifically Islamic extremism, happened long before George W Bush and Tony Blair and the "War on Terror" right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

Military action in itself hasn't caused anything, unless you go back long, long before then to CIA backing of the Mujahideen in the Afghan/Soviet War, or the Balfour Declaration - military action has merely exacerbated an existing issue because we've made stupid errors and totally misunderstood the situation in the Middle East, which has been the case for a long time.

So yes, my view is you learn from those mistakes; not just retreat into your shell and fear do anything because you made them.

In what situation could military intervention improve things, when it is the very thing that has exacerbated terrorism in the past?