Current Affairs Harry and Megan part 2 (Electric Boogaloo)

[coollino]

Multi quote, a few words in capitals, excessive spacing of paragraphs.

All signs that confirm @Zatara 's head has gone. Going to be hard to comeback from this, sadly

 

[Jimishorts]

2 pages of Harry and Meghan.

15 pages of racism claims.

This is why I rarely visit ‘current affairs’

 

[JimmyJeffers]

2 pages of Harry and Meghan.

15 pages of racism claims.

This is why I rarely visit ‘current affairs’

Eh!? This is the best bit Jimbo ma man.

 

[Jimishorts]

Eh!? This is the best bit Jimbo ma man.

Not for me JJ. Gets boring after the first couple of pages of the same people having the same ‘debates’

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Not for me JJ. Gets boring after the first couple of pages of the same people having the same ‘debates’

Fair enough. I get kinda bored with the same type chat in the everton forum to be honest. Only just remembered there’s a game on tonight!

 

[Jimishorts]

Fair enough. I get kinda bored with the same type chat in the everton forum to be honest. Only just remembered there’s a game on tonight!

To right JJ

Sooner @The Penalty Box Dancer pulls his finger out the better.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Ordinarily, racially motivation for a crime are treated as an aggravating factor at sentencing rather than a stand alone criminal offence, so there are no prosecutions specifically related to that, but sentencing can be increased where religion or race are factors.

On the second point, they've been doing exactly the same job. One party has been pilloried for it and the other praised.

She's been taking the money while she's been doing the job - I'm sure they've now said they want to finance their own way now they have stepped down. Where is the problem there?

No problem at all mate. Just concerned at "racism" thrown around willy nilly. You have agreed that there was no direct racism (which is as it should be) but that there was implied racism which can be prosecuted.
Lots of talk about implied racism surrounding this from the media.Actual evidence? Which article? Who actually said what? When? How can be implied to be racist?

 

[tsubaki]

No problem at all mate. Just concerned at "racism" thrown around willy nilly. You have agreed that there was no direct racism (which is as it should be) but that there was implied racism which can be prosecuted.
Lots of talk about implied racism surrounding this from the media.Actual evidence? Which article? Who actually said what? When? How can be implied to be racist?

I'd say the fairly blatant double standards with regards to how the two wives of the Princes are portrayed qualifies, though of course in terms of press malpractice it is quite a way down the list of things they've done wrong here (of which we can now add stalking to the list).

 

[Alan Whittle]

I'd say the fairly blatant double standards with regards to how the two wives of the Princes are portrayed qualifies, though of course in terms of press malpractice it is quite a way down the list of things they've done wrong here (of which we can now add stalking to the list).

Blatant double standards definitely. But two white people can be judged using double standards (and often are). There is a view that these double standards in this case are implied racism. Again, I ask; What? Where? Who?
My interest in this is only as devils advocate.
Racist, Mysoginist, Sexist, priveliged white male etc are all thrown around far to easily with an absence of any critical thought imo.

 

[tsubaki]

Blatant double standards definitely. But two white people can be judged using double standards (and often are). There is a view that these double standards in this case are implied racism. Again, I ask; What? Where? Who?
My interest in this is only as devils advocate.
Racist, Mysoginist, Sexist, priveliged white male etc are all thrown around far to easily with an absence of any critical thought imo.

They are (and indeed Harry has always got a different press than his brother) but then again double standards of this kind (where a white person is treated better than a black person despite being of similar status) are pretty much racism 101 for many people; thats why so many people who would know about it have described the coverage as racist.

 

[bullybeef]

Not for me JJ. Gets boring after the first couple of pages of the same people having the same ‘debates’

Mass debators the lot of them, I tell thee.

 

[bullybeef]

So Harry and Megs now threatening to sue the Canadian press for intrusion.

They wanted a quiet life so what did they do... went cry arsing to the press and created the biggest story in the world. Hardly the right way of sinking into obscurity.

They are publicity seeking hoes who want it all their own way.

End of.

 

[James]

It was in specific relation to the media and those suggesting that 'racism cannot be a motive as no racist language has been used'.

But as regards to your point, the law can and does determine if racism was intended in differing scenarios. It happens in criminal and civil cases all the time.

For the record, I do think there is an element of racism involved in some quarters, but I think it's more to do with her representing all the things that the British press and any right wing mouth piece despise - women's rights and feminism, climate change etc.

Just contrast the exact same story written about William and Kate as are written about Harry and Meghan. One couple plays the role for the press and the other doesn't. One couple gets favourable headlines the other doesn't, for the exact same activity or issue. It's about the media exercising its power and telling them 'look what we can do if you don't stay in your box'.

Don’t forget the continuing issues and obsession we have about class, regions, accents in this country. Every time you speak in England a million judgements are made about you and the monarchy plays on that. Honestly it’s what the monarchy is all about. The public and press love to be deferential.

What happens when someone joins them who isn’t from that background, doesn’t have the accent and breaks with expectations? Everyone loses their minds and goes after them.

Kate doesn’t get the same grief because she does exactly what’s expected and It off that posher background.

 

[Harryflashman]

I don't think there is any doubt that in the past (and certainly when I first started looking for work 40 years ago) there were more opportunities available for white people like myself than there were for any of the ethnic minorities. Whether this was racist (which it may well have been 40 years ago as overt racism was a lot more prevalent then), or just down to lack of proper education and social mobility, I couldn't say for certain. So I can understand why the term privileged white is so often spoken of.

But I also believe that both society and the business arena are trying to bring about more equality. I know a lot of public and private sector organisations have equal opportunities policies, not just as regards race but also disability and gender. It's fair to say that most have so much catching up to do that it will probably be years before we see any sort of equality. Most organisations will have set themselves targets to achieve by a certain date and, realistically, the only way to reach these targets quickly is to employ people from the minority sectors whenever they can.

I have recently applied for 2 jobs, one with a local college as an invigilator, and one with the National Trust. For both I had to complete an equal opportunities questionnaire and they were quite detailed. I asked whether any applicants from the minority sectors would be considered for the job ahead of me. The college said they would be given priority. The NT said we would both be considered on merit, but if we were both equally suitable to the role, then priority would be given to those from minority groups.

I understand why they are doing this, but I'd be a liar if I said I wasn't disappointed with their responses.

I have 2 questions for anybody out there.

1) Is positive discrimination of minority groups also not discriminatory towards me and people like me?

2) Do you consider me racist for even bringing this subject up. As a white hetero healthy male in his late 50s, am I not entitled to the same opportunities to work as anybody else?

I don’t consider you racist for bringing it up . when I was working rather than for myself I found it frustrating absolutely, society is seeking to ‘right’ an imbalance if it can but for blokes like me and you it’s hugely frustrating . For actual Blind tests will still tell you that it’s about 3 time’s easier to get an interview if you send cv’s in with the name Adam rather than Mohammad .

100 percent its frustrating to feel you aren’t getting a fair crack however you are but us heterosexual white blokes do ok generally .

 

[coollino]

I don’t consider you racist for bringing it up . when I was working rather than for myself I found it frustrating absolutely, society is seeking to ‘right’ an imbalance if it can but for blokes like me and you it’s hugely frustrating . For actual Blind tests will still tell you that it’s about 3 time’s easier to get an interview if you send cv’s in with the name Adam rather than Mohammad .

100 percent its frustrating to feel you aren’t getting a fair crack however you are but us heterosexual white blokes do ok generally .

Only recently at work there were some interviews and the suprervisor of the team look down at reception and said 'i wasn't expecting that'. The 'that', was the fact she is black.

The supervisor is 50 and white.