Current Affairs Harry and Megan part 2 (Electric Boogaloo)

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JEBUS_LIVES said:
Imagine giving someone a middle finger for saying 'you don't have to be explicitly racist to be racist'.
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If you don't have to be "explicitly racist" to be racist and by (your) definition logically you can be racist implicitly then you are relying on yourself, or others to determine what, how and by what degree racism was implied in any given statement or series of statements.
It is the reliance by people, for whatever reason, on stating something is implicitly racist, without any real foundation*, that leads us to the current knee jerk of racist/mysoginist/sexist round of name calling and attempted shaming.
*If it had any real foundation it would be explicit racism, something that is defined in law.
 
dead_soft said:
Hark at Lozza Fox here. Almost as much insight as his football scouting.
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You're deliberately trying to hurt my feelings.


davek said:
It could be said that your posts in the HK thread are anti-Han Chinese racist, tbf. It's probably not what you feel, but that's the way it comes across.
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You didnt know the scope of the term 'Han' until someone explained it to you in that very thread lol

It would be a bit weird to be racist against a race of people who I choose to live amongst...


TheBigIguana said:
World is pretty racist mate, Britain included. It is what it is.
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But again the racist accusations have no place in this thread...

dwightschrute said:
Thats a lot of words, could've just saved everyones time and said ''racisms alright actually''
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Not sure what your peculiar post has to do with the subject topic...

JEBUS_LIVES said:
Imagine giving someone a middle finger for saying 'you don't have to be explicitly racist to be racist'.
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Its a line straight from Markles PR machine...
 
Zatara said:
You're deliberately trying to hurt my feelings.




You didnt know the scope of the term 'Han' until someone explained it to you in that very thread lol

It would be a bit weird to be racist against a race of people who I choose to live amongst...




But again the racist accusations have no place in this thread...



Not sure what your peculiar post has to do with the subject topic...



Its a line straight from Markles PR machine...
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I said this before and I'll say it again, if you think that Markle's race has no impact on how this whole thing has gone, you're being naive about how the world works. There's nothing else to really say. I'm not going to sit here and try to explain 400 years of history.
 
Zatara said:
You're deliberately trying to hurt my feelings.




You didnt know the scope of the term 'Han' until someone explained it to you in that very thread lol

It would be a bit weird to be racist against a race of people who I choose to live amongst...




But again the racist accusations have no place in this thread...



Not sure what your peculiar post has to do with the subject topic...



Its a line straight from Markles PR machine...
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Oh I thought it was a straight line from my head...
 
TheBigIguana said:
I said this before and I'll say it again, if you think that Markle's race has no impact on how this whole thing has gone, you're being naive about how the world works. There's nothing else to really say. I'm not going to sit here and try to explain 400 years of history.
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Let me guess, "People are racist".

This is becoming tiring, distasteful and just plain wrong.
 
Alan Whittle said:
If you don't have to be "explicitly racist" to be racist and by (your) definition logically you can be racist implicitly then you are relying on yourself, or others to determine what, how and by what degree racism was implied in any given statement or series of statements.
It is the reliance by people, for whatever reason, on stating something is implicitly racist, without any real foundation*, that leads us to the current knee jerk of racist/mysoginist/sexist round of name calling and attempted shaming.
*If it had any real foundation it would be explicit racism, something that is defined in law.
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It was in specific relation to the media and those suggesting that 'racism cannot be a motive as no racist language has been used'.

But as regards to your point, the law can and does determine if racism was intended in differing scenarios. It happens in criminal and civil cases all the time.

For the record, I do think there is an element of racism involved in some quarters, but I think it's more to do with her representing all the things that the British press and any right wing mouth piece despise - women's rights and feminism, climate change etc.

Just contrast the exact same story written about William and Kate as are written about Harry and Meghan. One couple plays the role for the press and the other doesn't. One couple gets favourable headlines the other doesn't, for the exact same activity or issue. It's about the media exercising its power and telling them 'look what we can do if you don't stay in your box'.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
It was in specific relation to the media and those suggesting that 'racism cannot be a motive as no racist language has been used'.

But as regards to your point, the law can and does determine if racism was intended in differing scenarios. It happens in criminal and civil cases all the time.

For the record, I do think there is an element of racism involved in some quarters, but I think it's more to do with her representing all the things that the British press and any right wing mouth piece despise - women's rights and feminism, climate change etc.

Just contrast the exact same story written about William and Kate as are written about Harry and Meghan. One couple plays the role for the press and the other doesn't. One couple gets favourable headlines the other doesn't, for the exact same activity or issue. It's about the media exercising its power and telling them 'look what we can do if you don't stay in your box'.
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Interesting then,that with all the alleged implied racism that are dealt with "in criminal and civil cases all the time" there have been no prosecutions.
I think the comparison between William & Kate probably rests on the heir to the throne and his wife getting on with their job and not taking a load of public cash and then saying, sorry, we've had enough.
 
Zatara said:
No its not...thats nonsense.

Racism = Wrong
False accusations of racism = wrong

They are BOTH wrong...one isnt more wrong than the other.
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Racism is much worse. This narrative of some kind of equivalence between the two that seems to be pushed now is textbook false equivalence. It's run rampant in the modern world. There are degrees of wrong. A good example might be the varying punishments for different crimes.
 
TheBigIguana said:
Racism is much worse. This narrative of some kind of equivalence between the two that seems to be pushed now is textbook false equivalence. It's run rampant in the modern world. There are degrees of wrong. A good example might be the varying punishments for different crimes.
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This is going off topic...

Unintentional racism = much worse

than...

Intentional allegations of racism


No. Absolutely not.


And once again the notion of racism against Markle is really distasteful, false and a line from her PR machine which alot of people seem to have fallen hook line and sinker for.
 
Alan Whittle said:
Interesting then,that with all the alleged implied racism that are dealt with "in criminal and civil cases all the time" there have been no prosecutions.
I think the comparison between William & Kate probably rests on the heir to the throne and his wife getting on with their job and not taking a load of public cash and then saying, sorry, we've had enough.
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Ordinarily, racially motivation for a crime are treated as an aggravating factor at sentencing rather than a stand alone criminal offence, so there are no prosecutions specifically related to that, but sentencing can be increased where religion or race are factors.

On the second point, they've been doing exactly the same job. One party has been pilloried for it and the other praised.

She's been taking the money while she's been doing the job - I'm sure they've now said they want to finance their own way now they have stepped down. Where is the problem there?
 
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Zatara said:
This is going off topic...

Unintentional racism = much worse

than...

Intentional allegations of racism


No. Absolutely not.


And once again the notion of racism against Markle is really distasteful, false and a line from her PR machine which alot of people seem to have fallen hook line and sinker for.
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How are you so sure it isn't about her race or it isn't a factor?
 
Zatara said:
This is going off topic...

Unintentional racism = much worse

than...

Intentional allegations of racism


No. Absolutely not.


And once again the notion of racism against Markle is really distasteful, false and a line from her PR machine which alot of people seem to have fallen hook line and sinker for.
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You’re an embarrassment to our fan base
 
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