Current Affairs George Floyd and Minneapolis Unrest
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Well that speech won't have done much to calm things down. He's just given free reign to the cops and army to go nuts
Good to see him strike a conciliatory tone. "It's the governors' fault, here comes the military". Utter buffoon
That's the only conclusion I can make. He's just spouted statistics without interpreting them in the slightest, great 'critical thinking'.
Osamabindiesel
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We will never have an open, honest conversation until people can acknowledge that. If everything turns into a one sided and dishonest argument, people will just mirror that resentment in the other direction and the cycle will never end.
He just created all that carnage with peaceful protesters to set up a photo opportunity at the church. Unbelievable (well it's not but you know what I mean)
Now posing with a bible in front of the church. He's horrendous and has potentially just caused so much damage
There’s literally video evidence of the cop murdering a man, in broad daylight, on a busy street. I don’t think we could possibly need any more evidence than that.
Zezti
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They never critque themselves though. Hypocrites.
Could you spell it out for us? Don't hold back now, snowflake.
And as for "They are also far more likely to rob, steal, and victimize others. Far greater than 2.5x. (try 6x and 7x etc)", that really doesn't mean anything does it? It has nothing to do with what the protests are about.
Well we aren't talking solutions here because I don't think we've even gotten to the point where we're all understanding the problem. Clearly it is more complex than "do better."
I had no intention of mischaracterizing anything, and in fact given what you've written here I'm still not sure I am. You're argument is basically that this is an unavoidable product of the environment. But it isn't. There are good cops, but the culture as a whole produces way too many bad ones who abuse people regularly. If it was an environment thing they would all be doing this and that isn't the case.
What I struggle with is why the idea that police should fear even high crime communities is acceptable. These people should be viewed as neighbors, friends, community members and above all people. There is no reason to be fearful in general. Yes there may be certain people who are dangerous, I know that is true, but those people aren't everyone and so it isn't how you should view everyone.
The best thing I can say for this whole idea that the environment is something to work on is that less crime would mean in theory less interaction between the police and civilians. That by its nature would reduce police brutality. But I've seen the way police will car stop people in certain neighborhoods for anything and everything or jump out on random corners when nothing is really going on. If that doesn't change will a crime reduction actually have an effect on the abuse coming from the police.
I just think this is a one way fix. The police treat people better and hold themselves accountable when they don't, plus removing those who show they can't, and we start to get a handle on this.
As an aside read this if you have the time and desire and let me know what you think. It's pretty much the poster child for a high fear environment, but I don't think it in any way explains why some of the stuff happens like it does. Fear isn't causing it. It is a combination of power, greed and hatred.
I'll read it.
I disagree with you on the environment piece. If we send kids to war, some are going to overreach and do some terrible stuff. It's the consequence of making men (and women) face down really bad and awful things. That doesn't mean everyone is impacted the same way. Not all soldiers crack, and most who do don't "crack" in a way that ends in something terrible. Same for cops. Some cops engage in substance abuse. Someone mentioned cops and domestic violence. Some probably bottle it up and suffer with depression.
This isn't an excuse, it's a discussion of what we ask people who are supposed to serve our interests go through. And it's my position that we'll never get perfect policing, but we'll especially never get it when police are asked to protect communities they see as dens of drugs and murder and rape, etc. I don't think any amount of cop discipline or education or hiring is going to fix that. So that's my basis for saying it's a two sided solution. That doesn't mean one is contingent on the other (that we can't fix the cop-side until we fix the citizen-side). But I don't think we'll fully get what we're after so long as we have a country with high levels of violent crime.
TheBigIguana
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I think it is also unlikely we ever create a community free of crime. It's about balancing it and the balance is just way off to the side of the police being out of control. When they reign it in we can move on to the other parts of correcting what is a failing inner city society.
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