Current Affairs George Floyd and Minneapolis Unrest

[Walken]

Not for me mate - anyone who has ever worked in customer service will tell you some people think just because you wear a uniform you can be given unnecessary amounts of abuse.

Just because a minority of police are corrupt/racist doesnt give people the rights to blockade police cars / abuse them - same way you cant abuse all priests because a few are nonces.

Sadly its a generation of entitled idiots who think they can do/act as they want and get no comeuppance - poke a bear you're gonna get eaten.

I've worked in customer service (really not relevant to this though), you are absolutely 100% responsible for delivering an appropriote response, when that involves the supposed use of deadly force then you are responsible for it and you have to justify it. You can chat that back in the day crap about the current generation all you want, the current events are a culmination of decades of marginalisation and abuse.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I've worked in customer service (really not relevant to this though), you are absolutely 100% responsible for delivering an appropriote response, when that involves the supposed use of deadly force then you are responsible for it and you have to justify it. You can chat that back in the day crap about the current generation all you want, the current events are a culmination of decades of marginalisation and abuse.

Regardless the majority of the US police will be your regular hard working Joe who isnt corrupt or racist.

Sadly the minority cause the problems so everyone is tarred with the same brush.

It doesnt excuse people to be looting, smashing up innocent peoples stuff and physically abusing\blockading police just because of their job.

Respect goes a long way in life - if you show respect chances are you'll never have any bother. If you go round causing aggro or getting in peoples faces then you really cant have any complaints if you end up in bother.

Thats not just to do with the police either, its idiots on nights out causing bother then wondering why they get thumped off some bloke or a doorman.

I've never had any issues be it from people on a night out / bouncers or police when at the football / train stations and thats because I dont go looking to get a reaction from people and if bother does come my way I try my best to diffuse the situation which is not what those people are doing in that video.

 

[mezzrow]

Many of the people doing the looting in Minneapolis are young. They’ve been cooped up for months without school or work, and they’ve been told they couldn’t even shake hands with their friends for fear of spreading disease. Many of us will remember what it’s like to be young, full of energy and anger, and caught up in occasional collective frenzies that felt, at the time, like they were accomplishing something. Not all violence can be avoided. But at the very least, those of us who are older and wiser can resist the urge to publicly signal that this is acceptable (or even praiseworthy) behavior.

A week from now, many of the privileged people signaling their approval for the rioters will have moved on to the next issue, even as many of the rioters, having been identified on video footage, are arrested. Worse, some may fall ill with cases of COVID-19 contracted during the fracas. Certainly, when November comes, Donald Trump and the Republican Party will be only too happy to have scenes of Minneapolis’ burning buildings and mayhem on heavy rotation. Violence played into the hands of the reactionary Right in 1968. And it may well do so again in 2020.

https://quillette.com/2020/05/30/am...olent-protests-will-make-the-suffering-worse/

 

[Harryflashman]

Regardless the majority of the US police will be your regular hard working Joe who isnt corrupt or racist.

Sadly the minority cause the problems so everyone is tarred with the same brush.

It doesnt excuse people to be looting, smashing up innocent peoples stuff and physically abusing\blockading police just because of their job.

Respect goes a long way in life - if you show respect chances are you'll never have any bother. If you go round causing aggro or getting in peoples faces then you really cant have any complaints if you end up in bother.

Thats not just to do with the police either, its idiots on nights out causing bother then wondering why they get thumped off some bloke or a doorman.

I've never had any issues be it from people on a night out / bouncers or police when at the football / train stations and thats because I dont go looking to get a reaction from people and if bother does come my way I try my best to diffuse the situation which is not what those people are doing in that video.

If you’re giving the benefit of doubt to the majority of police surely you’re extending that to the majority of protesters . so doesnt your point becomes moot really ?

 

[Hickson9]

Regardless the majority of the US police will be your regular hard working Joe who isnt corrupt or racist.

Sadly the minority cause the problems so everyone is tarred with the same brush.

It doesnt excuse people to be looting, smashing up innocent peoples stuff and physically abusing\blockading police just because of their job.

Respect goes a long way in life - if you show respect chances are you'll never have any bother. If you go round causing aggro or getting in peoples faces then you really cant have any complaints if you end up in bother.

Thats not just to do with the police either, its idiots on nights out causing bother then wondering why they get thumped off some bloke or a doorman.

I've never had any issues be it from people on a night out / bouncers or police when at the football / train stations and thats because I dont go looking to get a reaction from people and if bother does come my way I try my best to diffuse the situation which is not what those people are doing in that video.

So all black people need to do is show the proper respect and they'll be treated fairly?

 

[mezzrow]

Ah: the owner shows up. He appears Indian or Pakistani. He implores them to get out, please, at the pace of their own choosing. One man falls out of the window, carrying bags of merchandise.

The owner helps him up.

“Ipads!” says the narrator. “Insurance! Insurance! Ipads!”

The owner hears this and addresses the narrator: he doesn’t have insurance.

“Oh [Poor language removed] oh [Poor language removed],” says the narrator. “He’s Muslim.”

This suddenly makes all this a bad to do, maaaaybe?

“Why aren’t we stealing from the white people,”’ someone says. A few people hand their phones back. They apologize.

“And his wife is pregnant. And his wife is pregnant.” It’s almost like there’s something close to remorse. But: “Reality in real life,” the narrator says.

Watch it.



http://lileks.com/bleats/archive/20/0620/060120.html

 

[dandydan]

Then I assume those who are pro-fascism will get the same treatment, because if not, what your orange lunatic has stated here is that if you disagree with him it’s a criminal offence. Fascism right there.

The land of the free it was once known as. This statement is the opposite of that.

I doubt he even knows what fascism means.

Neither does anyone on the left.

 

[PhilM]

Ah: the owner shows up. He appears Indian or Pakistani. He implores them to get out, please, at the pace of their own choosing. One man falls out of the window, carrying bags of merchandise.

The owner helps him up.

“Ipads!” says the narrator. “Insurance! Insurance! Ipads!”

The owner hears this and addresses the narrator: he doesn’t have insurance.

“Oh [Poor language removed] oh [Poor language removed],” says the narrator. “He’s Muslim.”

This suddenly makes all this a bad to do, maaaaybe?

“Why aren’t we stealing from the white people,”’ someone says. A few people hand their phones back. They apologize.

“And his wife is pregnant. And his wife is pregnant.” It’s almost like there’s something close to remorse. But: “Reality in real life,” the narrator says.

Watch it.



http://lileks.com/bleats/archive/20/0620/060120.html

I honestly don't even know what to say after watching that video.

 

[mezzrow]

I honestly don't even know what to say after watching that video.

"Here, watch this." Reality in real life. Truer than truth. Stronger than ideology.

Humans are capable of humanity, but only if they can allow themselves to operate past the limits of their lizard brain.

 

[Blueclouds]

Ah: the owner shows up. He appears Indian or Pakistani. He implores them to get out, please, at the pace of their own choosing. One man falls out of the window, carrying bags of merchandise.

The owner helps him up.

“Ipads!” says the narrator. “Insurance! Insurance! Ipads!”

The owner hears this and addresses the narrator: he doesn’t have insurance.

“Oh [Poor language removed] oh [Poor language removed],” says the narrator. “He’s Muslim.”

This suddenly makes all this a bad to do, maaaaybe?

“Why aren’t we stealing from the white people,”’ someone says. A few people hand their phones back. They apologize.

“And his wife is pregnant. And his wife is pregnant.” It’s almost like there’s something close to remorse. But: “Reality in real life,” the narrator says.

Watch it.



http://lileks.com/bleats/archive/20/0620/060120.html

Very sad to watch

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[mezzrow]

The issue of rogue police officers who routinely violate constitutional rights and their superiors and unions who protect them is no longer a Right-versus-Left issue.

It should be an issue that unites all Americans. Because if we can’t trust the authority figures who exercise vast power over us, the breakdown in law and order we will see may be more of our own making — not the criminals’.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020...h-focus-on-police-unions-protecting-bad-cops/

 

[PhilM]

"Here, watch this." Reality in real life. Truer than truth. Stronger than ideology.

Humans are capable of humanity, but only if they can allow themselves to operate past the limits of their lizard brain.

They are, but in equals measures there's enough on that video to show how shallow and single-minded society can be. "Insurance... they've got insurance".

Well they hadn't but so what? Are they protesting against the insurance companies or the people, regardless of colour or creed, who'll foot the higher premiums?

Obviously these protests aren't that simple, yet it frustrates me how a legitimate reason to protest can quickly transform into something more minister.

Should it make a difference if he's not white or if he's actually from the Middle East, which potentially could cause him to face discrimination more than most?

It's good to see that some of the individuals give items back to him, but the bigger picture in general is what worries me. Bigotry in any form bothers me.

 

[mezzrow]

They are, but in equals measures there's enough on that video to show how shallow and single-minded society can be. "Insurance... they've got insurance".

Well they hadn't but so what? Are they protesting against the insurance companies or the people, regardless of colour or creed, who'll foot the higher premiums?

Obviously these protests aren't that simple, yet it frustrates me how a legitimate reason to protest can quickly transform into something more minister.

Should it make a difference if he's not white or if he's actually from the Middle East, which potentially could cause him to face discrimination more than most.

It's good to see that some of the individuals give items back to him, but the bigger picture in general is what worries me. Bigotry in any form bothers me.

These are excellent questions.

 

[mahermi1]

I honestly don't even know what to say after watching that video.

Disgusting, felt so sorry for the owners, best thing I can say is at least a few of them have their hearts in the right place. Not that it will do that Muslim couple any good like.
But this is what some people on here, think is acceptable, because of the horrific circumstances, it's not okay under any circumstances in my view and I know I'll shouted down by certain members on here. My answer, when does it escalate even further, when does the shooting and killing begin in earnest. The way it's going, especially with Trump at the helm, Civil war ? Scorned for saying it, but until people get round a table and talk, it's only going to get worse.