Current Affairs George Floyd and Minneapolis Unrest
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I can't speak to other people but that wouldn't be my rationale. My rationale is that if you break into someone's home while they're in it, particularly in the middle of the night, you're there to do harm. You're willingly putting your life in jeopardy. Should people wait to find out the scope of their intent and put their wife, kids, etc. at risk?
Kenshin
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Biggest insult going is all these white people taking the knee in support of the black community. Yet when a black person takes a knee it's deemed unpatriotic.
Given that this is all about black Americans and how they are treated in their own country, why is so many people desperate to include them in this. This is just like the metoo movement from a few years back. Instead of everyone just seeing the problem and supporting the problem for a solution , everyone has to jump onto it when it has nothing to do with them.
Sorry, just winds me up seeing people pretend to care about a cause that has existed for decades.
Given that this is all about black Americans and how they are treated in their own country, why is so many people desperate to include them in this. This is just like the metoo movement from a few years back. Instead of everyone just seeing the problem and supporting the problem for a solution , everyone has to jump onto it when it has nothing to do with them.
Sorry, just winds me up seeing people pretend to care about a cause that has existed for decades.
Wasn't it that the Whitehouse turned the lights off.
Shocking isn’t it. If only people had taken kaepernick and BLM seriously, ya know, listened to them instead of ridiculing and belittling them
No and no, as a result I do not feel remotely qualified to tell people in their position when they should be angry, outraged and how they should behave.
Hearts and minds is what I would have thought would be such a basic principle in the police tactics towards their relationship with the public that I can only assume it is being deliberately ignored at various levels and division is the aim.
dandydan
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Because he was a poor shot? It's well known that killing an intruder outright is preferable for all kinds of reasons.
Firstly, the majority of the protests have been peaceful. Also, a lot of the demonstrators violence has been directed towards the violent police. Looting cannot be condoned, but maybe some people are tired of being looted their entire lives.
Secondly, black people were freed from slavery nearly 160 years ago in the US. How long are they supposed to wait for fairness and equality?
When the entire system is inherently racist and you're at the bottom, there is no way to effect change quickly without the people at the top being unhappy about it.
If they take a knee at a sports event, they're told they are unpatriotic. If they say Black Lives Matter, they're told All Lives Matter. If they get mad, they're told they are thugs.
I am presuming you are white. If so, you have no idea what it is like to live in a society that blocks off every route towards fairness and you, your friends and your family are regularly subjected to police brutality. When you are preaching from your perch, remember your privilege.
Some times violence is the only way.
Of course this is a complex situation and a lot of wrong things are happening, but that shouldn't detract away from the primary struggle.
TheBigIguana
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There's a section of white America that was ok with Kaepernick's protest, and that is the section that is doing stuff now. The section that went crazy about patriotism is still against everything happening now.
ForeverBlue92
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Im sorry but violence is never the answer.
Education, peaceful large scale protests and people coming together is the only way society moves forward.
If everyone started looting and attacking folk based on the actions of a minority then there would be chaos.
Not all cops are racist
Not all priests are child molesters
Not all muslims are terrorists
You would have been pro appeasement with Chamberlain then?
Of course violence is some times the answer.
Otherwise that Hitler chap would have been around for a while longer.
Theres cases to be made that your 3 examples all fall under the same umbrella. If a cop sees another doing something heinous but doesn't stop them, that makes them just as bad. If a priest knows about another priest doing something heinous but does nothing about it, that makes them just as bad. If a muslim knows about an impending terrorist act by another muslim and does nothing about it, that makes them just as bad.
Going back on what this really is about is point 1. Cops do not think of themselves as the protectorate of the population here in the States. They think everyone should be subservient to them. Like @LinekersLegs said, the motto of the police here is "to protect and serve". The followup to that motto is "to protect and serve the general population". They are given extraordinary freedoms like the use of force and they have abused it time and time again.
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