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[PhilM]

Isn’t it the case that black people in London are far more likely statistically to commit violent crime per capita ?

I’m not sure we can expect the police to stop the same number of white and black people if black people are far more likely to be carrying a weapon.

The argument would then of course be that structural inequalities exist which lead to that situation, but I’m not sure in the present we can expect the police to not search a group more who statistically commit more crime ?

The travelling community are often statistically more likely to be stopped than any other ethnicity, yet their crime figures are disproportionately high.

 

[Lanolin]

Hilarious that clowns like you are pretending to be offended by this, literally getting out your pram over a statue of an actual slave trader being dumped during a BLM protest.

Only the thing is, I’d wager that since the statue hit the briny yesterday, that plenty of people in this country ended up learning more about the slave trade from social media etc than they were ever taught at school. Which maybe highlights a salient point.

I’d prefer to keep you off ignore and continue to call you out thanks all the same x

Genuine question, is this true?

I ask because a few people that I went to school with have made this point over the last week or so when I know for a fact that they were taught fairly extensively about it. I wonder whether a lot of people are like them, and just didn't pay any attention in school, and then blame the education system for not telling them about something which it most definitely did.

I only have experience of my own education though so it may be that it isn't taught in general, and I just know some idiots.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Yep. They call them honkie runs, and it's not unheard of for black Muslims to mount larger white people and race each other through the streets of London. It's an utter disgrace and unbelievable that the media don't talk about it

lol lol lol

 

[JimmyJeffers]

No, but my point is if you don’t condem it then where does it stop?

I guess it kinda depends. I mean if a Jimmy Saville statue had been put up for his work for charities before all the stories about him came out, then that would surely have to be taken down. So what’s the difference to a slave trader?
Statues are often associated with great and good people. I often wonder when I see them what skeletons they would have had in their closets. Think a lot of the people cottoning on to the movement are attention seeking meffs like but hey.

 

[JLW]

I guess it kinda depends. I mean if a Jimmy Saville statue had been put up for his work for charities before all the stories about him came out, then that would surely have to be taken down. So what’s the difference to a slave trader?
Statues are often associated with great and good people. I often wonder when I see them what skeletons they would have had in their closets. Think a lot of the people cottoning on to the movement are attention seeking meffs like but hey.

I agree mate but use the power of your movement to get rid of it and not in a thug type fashion.

The attention seeking meffs are just after a few retweets or likes on social media with whatever footage they capture.

 

[Hickson9]

Isn’t it the case that black people in London are far more likely statistically to commit violent crime per capita ?

I’m not sure we can expect the police to stop the same number of white and black people if black people are far more likely to be carrying a weapon.

The argument would then of course be that structural inequalities exist which lead to that situation, but I’m not sure in the present we can expect the police to not search a group more who statistically commit more crime ?

Supporting the racial profiling of black people in London by the Met Police is disgusting.

This is exactly what people are protesting against and it feeds directly back in to the issue.

 

[Deckard2049]

Minneapolis lawmakers vow to disband police department in historic move

City council members declare intent to ‘abolish’ embattled agency and replace with alternative model in wake of George Floyd’s killing

www.theguardian.com

Will be fascinating to see what they put in place and if it works.

 

[Prevenger17]

I agree mate but use the power of your movement to get rid of it and not in a thug type fashion.

The attention seeking meffs are just after a few retweets or likes on social media with whatever footage they capture.

I agree tbh. But it is now a fact of life that protests are going to be partly hijacked by the hyper-righteous and some chumps looking for a photo-op. This is true of this protest and will be true of every protest for the rest of our lives. It shouldn't delegitimise a good cause.

 

[Brennan]

Supporting the racial profiling of black people in London by the Met Police is disgusting.

This is exactly what people are protesting against and it feeds directly back in to the issue.

In 2017 two thirds of knife crime offenders in London under the age of 25 were BAME.

That’s despite making up a small proportion of the overall population.

I’m asking how we expect police to deal with these facts without it influencing who they stop and search.

 

[Catfish Blues]

I imagine if you looked at the times white youths who live in the poorest neighbourhoods are stopped and searched the numbers would be vaguely similar.

It's complicated mate, but, even taking into account neighbourhoods, there does seem to be a bias on who coppers stop and search.

For example, the last figures I saw for stop and search on suspicion of carrying a weapon showed 21% white people were subsequently arrested whereas only 16% of black people were arrested. If nothing else, that suggests there's a subconcious bias at work which makes coppers think black lads are more likely to be carrying than they actually are.

 

[the sniderman]

i feel there should be more statues pushed into water as it is annoying all the bozos.

 

[Death]

Them police who resigned in solidarity with their colleagues who got suspended. See it’s the problem these types of jobs attract the worst types of people. off course there’s many who just wanna do good and help people. But unfortunately they either are pricks that love the idea of the power of the badge that’s the main drive for them to start a career in it or were normal but got corrupted with the power.

To summarise you can’t just say there’s always going to be one or two bad apples. Ye just have to accept that. It’s not the case at all.

 

[Hickson9]

In 2017 two thirds of knife crime offenders in London under the age of 25 were BAME.

That’s despite making up a small proportion of the overall population.

I’m asking how we expect police to deal with these facts without it influencing who they stop and search.

Community engagement, not community criminalisation.

Investment in poorer areas, services, youth facilities, schools.

 

[Brennan]

Community engagement, not community criminalisation.

Investment in poorer areas, services, youth facilities, schools.

Which should all happen.

But that does not solve the immediate problem of lives being lost and knives in the streets.

 

[Jebus_lives]

In 2017 two thirds of knife crime offenders in London under the age of 25 were BAME.

That’s despite making up a small proportion of the overall population.

I’m asking how we expect police to deal with these facts without it influencing who they stop and search.

Chicken vs egg regarding stats.

If you target particular sections of society then your crime statistics will be higher as a result.