Current Affairs George Floyd and Minneapolis Unrest

[JLW]

Genuine question mate, had you ever heard of Edward Colston before the last couple of days?

No mate I hadn’t

What’s gone before us can’t be changed but what’s in front of us can be!
Again and again I repeat myself it’s the way it’s being done and how it started (George Floyd) over the past couple of weeks is what my gripe is.

Do you honestly think any good will come from this the way it’s being played out?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Stop and search dashboard | The Met

The incidence of Stop and search in every London Borough

www.met.police.uk

81.1 per 100,000 for blacks and 20 per 100,000 for whites in Hackney. That does become more disproportionate as you move into more affluent areas though 108:14 per 100,000 in Hammersmith and Fulham for example.

So there is a smaller gap between whites and blacks being searched in more deprived neighbourhoods.

Those stats are more recent in fairness, but even in Hackney that’s still 4:1 like.

 

[Tipp blue]

Mate, this is an Everton forum and we were discussing the relevance to the UK.

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[Prevenger17]

No mate I hadn’t

Is his statue really something worth getting upset about?

 

[Brennan]

Isn’t it the case that black people in London are far more likely statistically to commit violent crime per capita ?

I’m not sure we can expect the police to stop the same number of white and black people if black people are far more likely to be carrying a weapon.

The argument would then of course be that structural inequalities exist which lead to that situation, but I’m not sure in the present we can expect the police to not search a group more who statistically commit more crime ?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

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[Brennan]

Is his statue really something worth getting upset about?

No !

 

[JLW]

Is his statue really something worth getting upset about?

No, but my point is if you don’t condem it then where does it stop?

 

[coollino]

No, but my point is if you don’t condem it then where does it stop?

Pulling down a statue isn't one step away from accepting murder is it lol

 

[Yaroslav]

Having read several topics on this issue. I will express my opinion.
I have never been to the UK. Hope to visit Liverpool and Goodison Park as a tourist.
It’s hard for me to judge the problem of racism. Our population is homogeneous. I live in Kiev. and white here 98%
Last year, a gypsy camp was crushed to dust. No one held rallies.
Due to racism, it is not customary to hold a rally in our country.
I read an article about Birmingham just above. If this is true, then she will shock me.
After all, this is the same racism but vice versa.
I don’t look at people by color. Most importantly, what kind of person. And bad or good are everywhere.
But I have a question. It is true that in some parts of the country, whites are simply driven out of the places in which they lived for centuries.
After all, this is your land. Your ancestors.
As far as I understand, London is now not the same city that was 30 or 50 years ago?
In fact, it is almost a 60% city composed of emigrants

 

[Prevenger17]

No, but my point is if you don’t condem it then where does it stop?

Probably stops after these protests imo. Statue-toppling isn't actually that new. For the record, I didn't like what they did to the Churchill statue. But these things can be fixed and cleaned, and life will go on.

 

[zzr45]

Those stats are more recent in fairness, but even in Hackney that’s still 4:1 like.

Yeah it's still higher, but does demonstrate the point I was trying to make, albeit badly, that WP towards the lower end of the socio-economic isn't as pronounced as it is when compared to a national average, e.g. a white youth in an affluent area is far less likely to be stop and searched than a black youth in a deprived area, but is that a more to do with the socio-economic environment rather than WP?

As @tsubaki pointed out, there's far more factors at play than just race. The knee-jerk thing to do for example would be to put all police on training to uncover hidden racial biases and make them more aware of these, when actually using that money to develop better social care provisions regardless of race in deprived areas might be the better long term solution. (Not saying that's what you're advocating for the avoidance of doubt.)

Essentially, yes I do believe there is evidence of racism, conscious or otherwise, but it's part of a bigger picture of socio-economic equality.

 

[Prevenger17]

It is true that in some parts of the country, whites are simply driven out of the places in which they lived for centuries.

Yep. They call them honkie runs, and it's not unheard of for black Muslims to mount larger white people and race each other through the streets of London. It's an utter disgrace and unbelievable that the media don't talk about it

 

[Hickson9]

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There may be tiny parts of certain cities or towns where this may be relevant.

This isn't relevant to a society wide issue.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Yeah but don’t tell people that. See also white people that live in BAME areas within the UK that suffer from discrimination from neighbours etc because they are white.

Once you get beyond the shock value, White privilege is actually really an unhelpful concept that doesn’t really address the social-economic issues that actually create the dissonance. I imagine if you looked at the times white youths who live in the poorest neighbourhoods are stopped and searched the numbers would be vaguely similar.

I've always understood it to be that by virtue of race you are at a disadvantage, whereas those you describe are disadvantaged by being 'poor' but their race provides no inherent disadvantage.