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Kenshin
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I don't get this attitude.
The alternative would be to give roles to minorities or different skin colours based on their skin colour, not on merit.
If there is actual proof that people of colour are actually not giving jobs or oppertunities based on their skin colour then that is discrimatory racism. However taking the coach example, not a single coloured coach in football has been any good at the job.
So if good coaches are not given that chance then sure, the system is wrong. there is no evidence of that , until people speak out about it. same as politics , except high profile positions are held by people of colour. So that disproves that theory.
If a country hands out jobs based in skin colour than that is discrimatory even if the industry is white dominant.
Plus I don't think any minority want to be handed anything like we should feel sorry for them. if the oppertunities are fundamentally being blocked then I hope they start to raise their voice further to break that barrier down.
We are all sinners and will be found short of salvation, if not for the grace of God. I embrace this and pray daily for my forgiveness. That covers me as a person, if we hold people guilty of sin on a personal level. If, however, we are not seen as individuals who are personally responsible but part of some blood guilt by group, we're back to ending disputes by doing things like wiping out cities of Japanese by firestorm or atomic holocaust. I say this knowing that if we had actually invaded the islands rather than doing what we did I probably would never had existed, as my dad would have likely not returned to meet my mother. The toddler incinerated to dust at the moment of detonation was an individual subject to God's grace as well.
We are deeply flawed creatures and blood tribalism will be the end of the species, if not restrained by some force greater than itself.
Look mate, I was going to have another Lol at you but maybe you're right and the snide comments are unnecessary. But honestly, you come off as very immature in your posts, and you probably don't yet conceive the extent to which you do. I imagine you're probably in your mid-twenties at most and have been dining out on various thinky podcasts for a couple of years that you feel have given you all the answers, because all your arguments are clearly derivative. We've heard them all. Even your username makes me ruefully shake my head a little.
You're posting irrelevant stats you aren't qualified to extrapolate any conclusions from and laying bare your ultra-simplified two-tone view of the world, while calling people communists and using terms like "radical leftists". It's good that you want to think about these issues, but you give off the distinct impression of someone who quickly formed the opinion first and googled supporting evidence later. It's not a good look. Hell, if you want to find out how flimsy stats can be when interpreted by idiots, check out my thread that proved that Aiden McGeady was a good player.
The conclusion most people are drawing from recent events is that there are genuine problems experienced by black people across the developed world that white people generally don't encounter as much. We conclude this, because mass riots and protests don't happen in a vacuum. We conclude this because we see countless videos corroborating it. It's not like there isn't a historical precedent for high level discrimination against black people, we literally only started addressing it as a society in the last hundred years or so and have made good, but unfinished, progress.
So we listen. Instead of regurgitating "facts", try doing the same. Whatever right vs. left culture war you think you're a part of is a myth, propagated by people who make a lot of money from it. You're getting nothing for it, so you might as well be a decent person and stop getting so wound up about large events none of us can fully comprehend.
We’ll have to respectfully agree on the former and disagree on the latter. Hope you have a peaceful and joyful Sunday x
I’m not saying the country should hand out jobs based on the colour of someone’s skin. I’m saying that white men represent approximately 42% of the population in the U.K. but a much higher proportion of leadership roles across a lot of different disciplines.
Unless you believe that white men are biologically predisposed to such roles which gives them a competitive advantage then there must be another reason for said competitive advantage.
By the way, there are PLENTY of rubbish white managers. In fact the majority of white managers are failures. Yet for some reason they keep getting hired?
And to you, Legs. I believe the power of Christ to be greater than that of blood tribalism. However, we must first turn to him for guidance.
Something else to pray for.
My hubby, with good reason, would disagree lol
Kiwi
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Absolutely, a combination of both subconscious and conscious biases and beliefs affects how we act and respond to one another. The best way forward from here is trying to actively recognise those cognitive biases, acknowledge how others lives are affected by these biases and act to bring change, in the way you think, act and respond, to what happens around you.Found this a really interesting bit
Maybe that describes you, but I now realize it didn’t describe me. I freely confess that to some extent where I stood on American racial issues was dictated by where I sat my entire life. I always deplored racism—those values were instilled in me from birth—but I was also someone who recoiled at words like “systemic racism.” I looked at the strides we’d made since slavery and Jim Crow and said, “Look how far we’ve come.” I was less apt to say, “and look how much farther we have to go.”
Then, where I sit changed, dramatically. I just didn’t know it at the time. I went from being the father of two white, blonde-haired, blue-eyed kids to the father of three kids—one of them a beautiful little girl from Ethiopia. When Naomi arrived, our experiences changed. Strange incidents started to happen.
There was the white woman who demanded that Naomi—the only black girl in our neighborhood pool—point out her parents, in spite of the fact that she was clearly wearing the colored bracelet showing she was permitted to swim. There was the time a police officer approached her at a department store and questioned her about who she was with and what she was shopping for. That never happened to my oldest daughter. There was the classmate who told Naomi that she couldn’t come to our house for a play date because, “My dad says it’s dangerous to go black people’s neighborhoods.”
I could go on, and—sure—some of the incidents could have a benign explanation, but as they multiplied, and it was clear that Naomi’s experience was clearly different from her siblings, it became increasingly implausible that all the explanations were benign.
Without question living as a POC is different in America because of the above.
1) Is this were we say "play the ball, not the clique"? Frankly, I'm not at all certain you've attempted to be part of the CA forum, rather something apart.
2) Claiming systemic racism does not exist in the USA doesn't make you racist. Just wrong.
3) This is not supportable by electoral outcomes or party self-identification data.
4) This is a somewhat common refrain among some. However, it is more prevalent among the political right, where more folks are leaving the GOP to self-identify as independent.
Kiwi
Say NO to Ginger Managers
The USA has a long history of being institutionally racist. This institutional racism is no longer as overt but is often insidious instead and can be seen in part reflected in the treatment of people of colour by authority figures such as cops and judges with regards to violence and sentencing, and the policing of local communities.
This is not always due to overt racism but often instead due to cognitive biases both conscious and unconscious discriminatory towards POC resulting in negative outcomes when compared to someone not a POC.
Identity politics is a nice buzzword thrown around in particular by the alt right.
I have voted both center right and center left in my two last elections.
We shall see how the left does come the USA elections later this year, but current polling indicates a swing to the left.
What makes you say your political position is left of centre? I am yet to see a single post that lies with this at all. Seems a throwaway comment to me
Kenshin
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That isn't really questioning my thought logic.
Either we hire on merit or we hire on skin colour regardless on ability.
If there is genuine issues with the system that is why jobs are white dominant , then it needs to be tackled 100%. But people need to speak out in their numbers to instigate that change.
Let me take your point and twist it. The majority of garage / grime artists in the UK are black. Is that because white people are not given record labels because of their skin colour? Is it based on a , for example black Londoner just being better at grime?
Or is it just one of those things? Maybe , just maybe, there is no issue. Maybe highlighting it is looking for a solution that just isn't there? The typical white people trying to solve a problem that isn't one because if what their ancestors did over 100 years ago.
If there is a problem in the system then it needs fixing. Hiring jobs based in colour of skin is fuel for anger , much the same way as where I work hand pick jobs and most interviews always end up with someone 'a little bit more experienced'.
Instead of shouting about black rights in the UK because it's the trendy topic online , why aren't the protestors rasing the issues you mention ? Because if there is a problem in the system then we need to break that system down.
By highlighting skin colour in jobs , it is implying every single company is racist in the country. Maybe it is , maybe it isn't. Still need people to speak up though.
There's an old quip that goes, "the most segregated day in the United States is Sunday".
Perhaps less so today than in years past, thankfully, but still moreso than should be.
Grinch
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The media are absolute knob gobblers. Losers
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