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This is not what is meant by white privilege in this context though. Of course there are white people in countries Western/majority white who have a harder time than some black people in those countries.

White privilege is more about the system as a whole. Put it this way, if a black person in the UK or US is born into exactly the same situations, the black person will have much harder time in life than the white person. At any level of society this is true from the poorest all the way to the richest. Just look at the treatment Obama got as President compared with almost any white president. All the rubbish he had to deal with over the birther movement which was purely due to the fact he was black. No one ever asked Trump to prove he was born in the US.

There are examples of this at every level of society in these countries and that is why people talk about white privilege.

I dont believe that to be true.

If we exchange black for ethnic minority in the UK.

Then look at the vile things which happened to young white girls in the Asian grooming cases and also at other examples in areas where there were more minorities than whites then it doesnt ring true for me.

What about other races living as a minority within those minority groups...

Missed this gem, ahahahahhaa.

You are complaining that they do not use Western clothes sizes?

How the hell did that even enter your head as an example lol

I was responding to the question @anjelikaferrett posed...take a look?

For clarification, I 100% believe that the issues in america are born out of racism. The point I was trying to make is that using stats to question why blacks appear to commit more crime is flawed, based on generations of social inequality, fuelled by historic racist views.

As a scouser, we still get stereotyped as thieves and scroungers. Any evidence that crime rates are higher in Liverpool is not because scousers are more predisposed to being that way, but because of decades of social deprivation.

Possibly so...although if you compare black people in upper class thresholds with low income thresholds of white people that would be an interesting comparison.
 
Sorry if I wasn’t clear but this isn’t really what I was saying. I wasn’t saying I couldn’t have an opinion or that I’m automatically wrong. That’s not what I was saying at all. In fact I’m not sure I did.

I’m saying that as a white man and with my experience of racism, that’s my opinion shouldn’t be given as much weight as someone of colour when it comes to talking about what defining racism is or how it feels or what the experience is.

The fact is, I’ve never experienced racism. Ever.

I can imagine what if feels like, I can empathise. But I can’t tell you what it feels like to live outside of white privilege.

And so I can have an opinion, but I’m always more likely to put more weight behind the opinion of those who have lived it.

I find it a bit weird when white people argue that white privilege doesn’t exist. When so many people of colour are screaming that it does and are angry and hurt and have clearly had enough.
Well I just quoted what you said? You said your opinion on women's rights isn't as valid as your wife's, because she's a woman and you're not. I'm saying I don't agree that this is the case, your opinion on women's rights is every bit as valid as hers. She is obviously more qualified to talk about certain nuances, but by and large you can talk about women's rights just as well as she can. You have a lot to add to the debate, because while you've never been a woman, she (I assume) has never been a man. So if you're talking about equality then your experiences are very important, otherwise how do you establish what equality is?

There was a post a couple of pages back where somebody was effectively saying men will never have been inappropriately touched, or had people say unwelcome things to them. This appears to be something a lot of women believe to be true. It's not true at all though, both those things have happened to me countless times, and I know they're not uncommon in society. It's important that those things are clarified I think, if you don't know what other people are experiencing then you can't possibly know whether what's happening to you is in any way out of the ordinary. The effect that these things have on women is - generally speaking - much worse, but it's a popular misconception that they only happen to women.

In this case, you're saying that only people of colour can define what racism is. I don't agree, my point was that just because a person of colour believes something to be racist doesn't mean it is. White privilege definitely does exist, but I know it exists because of lots of statistical evidence that tells me it does, not just because a person of colour says it does.

Again, I completely agree with your overall stance.
 
Well I just quoted what you said? You said your opinion on women's rights isn't as valid as your wife's, because she's a woman and you're not. I'm saying I don't agree that this is the case, your opinion on women's rights is every bit as valid as hers. She is obviously more qualified to talk about certain nuances, but by and large you can talk about women's rights just as well as she can. You have a lot to add to the debate, because while you've never been a woman, she (I assume) has never been a man. So if you're talking about equality then your experiences are very important, otherwise how do you establish what equality is?

There was a post a couple of pages back where somebody was effectively saying men will never have been inappropriately touched, or had people say unwelcome things to them. This appears to be something a lot of women believe to be true. It's not true at all though, both those things have happened to me countless times, and I know they're not uncommon in society. It's important that those things are clarified I think, if you don't know what other people are experiencing then you can't possibly know whether what's happening to you is in any way out of the ordinary. The effect that these things have on women is - generally speaking - much worse, but it's a popular misconception that they only happen to women.

In this case, you're saying that only people of colour can define what racism is. I don't agree, my point was that just because a person of colour believes something to be racist doesn't mean it is. White privilege definitely does exist, but I know it exists because of lots of statistical evidence that tells me it does, not just because a person of colour says it does.

Again, I completely agree with your overall stance.

see again, I’m not saying that. You seem to be taking a point I’m making and extrapolating it further than intended.

I’m not saying I can’t have an opinion. I’m not saying it’s not valid at all. I’m not saying I can’t contribute to the debate. I’m not saying all people of colour have a free pass on whatever they say as right and that everything I say is wrong.

At no point did I say that. I’m saying that I put more weight behind the opinion of people who have lived and experienced racism or sexism etc than my own.

Because I’m working from a limited data set.

I could tell you loads about everton and I could given an opinion on what it might be like to manage Everton. But I’d put more weight behind someone who has actually managed Everton than my own when it comes to how it should be done.

Again, I’m not saying that my opinion isn’t valid at all, I’m not saying I’m wrong, or can’t contribute. Just that I’ve never been Everton manager so I don’t really know what it’s like.
 
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Whether it is random or not, in 2016 there were 14,415 homicides involving a firearm in the US. The figure for deaths caused by police has been less 1,000 for years.

Away from deaths, there were 31,258 injuries using a firearm in 2017 in the US. You're far more likely to be killed or injured by another civilian than a police officer.

Now I'm not saying the police aren't an issue, but to say they're more dangerous or an issue is statistically incorrect - far from it.

I think your comments are both valid and serious, but the numbers are also a bit misleading, at least without due representation of what they mean. For instance, US Annual deaths by:

Police violence 1,000
Homicide 16,000
Car crash 32,000
Flu 68,000
Heart disease 650,000

Of course, not all are the same.

*I don't have time to discuss at the moment, but I suspect if you removed guns from the equation then homicides would drop, but not signficantly, because most homicide requires a specific intent.
 
see again, I’m not saying that. You seem to be taking a point I’m making and extrapolating it further than intended.

I’m not saying I can’t have an opinion. I’m not saying it’s not valid at all. I’m not saying I can’t contribute to the debate. I’m not saying all people of colour have a free pass on whatever they say as right and that everything I say is wrong.

At no point did I say that. I’m saying that I put more weight behind the opinion of people who have lived and experienced racism or sexism etc than my own.

Because I’m working from a limited data set.

I could tell you loads about everton and I could given an opinion on what it might be like to manage Everton. But I’d put more weight behind someone who has actually managed Everton than my own when it comes to how it should be done.

Again, I’m not saying that my opinion isn’t valid at all, I’m not saying I’m wrong, or can’t contribute. Just that I’ve never been Everton manager so I don’t really know what it’s like.
Yeah you also appear to be completely misunderstanding what i'm saying too so maybe it's just not easy to get points across in writing.
 
see again, I’m not saying that. You seem to be taking a point I’m making and extrapolating it further than intended.

I’m not saying I can’t have an opinion. I’m not saying it’s not valid at all. I’m not saying I can’t contribute to the debate. I’m not saying all people of colour have a free pass on whatever they say as right and that everything I say is wrong.

At no point did I say that. I’m saying that I put more weight behind the opinion of people who have lived and experienced racism or sexism etc than my own.

Because I’m working from a limited data set.

I could tell you loads about everton and I could given an opinion on what it might be like to manage Everton. But I’d put more weight behind someone who has actually managed Everton than my own when it comes to how it should be done.

Again, I’m not saying that my opinion isn’t valid at all, I’m not saying I’m wrong, or can’t contribute. Just that I’ve never been Everton manager so I don’t really know what it’s like.
Yeah you also appear to be completely misunderstanding what i'm saying too so maybe it's just not easy to get points across in writing.


Quite simple for me, a lived experience can give more insight than an opinion on someone else's lived experience.
 
Hi everybody, Scott Decay in the USA here to tell you that I know two Liverpool FC fans and both of 'em are great people and fine musicians, so when you hear someone say "Kopites are gobshites," know that they're absolutely wrong, whatever your lived experience on Merseyside may have led you to believe.
 
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