Current Affairs George Floyd and Minneapolis Unrest

[the sniderman]

I am going to be cup half full.

At least no one in here is explicitly being racist or saying sod the poor people.

it is currently a healthy debate without need for heavy moderation which is exactly what this fourth reich magnet section of the forum should be buddy.

 

[larrygobfiend]

#jesuiszlat

 

[Hickson9]

I've just seen Obama is going to address the nation at 10pm UK time.

I'll certainly be tuning in. He tends to be rather inspiring.

 

[Moomin]

53% of all violent crimes and homicides are carried out by blacks.

So if they only make up 12% of the
Got nothing to do with not liking civil rights, where have I ever said said or disagreed that black lives matter, of course they do as much as anyone. Anyone who thinks other wise needs a seriously look at them selves.

My point here is that all lives matter, and this shouldn't be made about race it should be about police brutality in the US.

Hi Friend.

Are you a fan of Tommy Robinson?

 

[DanB90]

zat has travelled to the 4 corners of the universe to give u this insight and u will have some goddamn respect for it buddies.

I can only ask that he shows us forgiveness for the historic and ongoing mistreatment of the straight white male.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Look, Zat didn't get a job when he was 19 and since then the world has been against him.

To be fair, a male white, uk ex-pat, living in the Philippines, is among the most discriminated of all people.
We can only imagine the hardships he faces as he courts his local ‘girlfriends’ and drinks in various ex-pat bars with red faced Dutchmen wearing Hawaiian shirts complaining that the locals are all untrustworthy and lazy.

 

[Moomin]

Poor Zat.

He is the Rosa Parks of Asia.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I am going to be cup half full.

At least no one in here is explicitly being racist or saying sod the poor people.

Getting back to the topic of George Floyd one of the striking things was that, unlike in most cases in the past, there was almost no “Oh he deserved it because x” - across the political spectrum it was denounced.

Public opinion has also swung quite a long way in the past few years to the majority (although as demonstrated on this thread not everyone) acknowledging that African Americans are likely to face different treatment from the criminal justice system.

Of course it doesn't mean that anything will be done to rectify the situation but the first step in fixing a problem is admitting you have one.

 

[the sniderman]

Hi Friend.

Are you a fan of Tommy Robinson?

hello @TheBigEasy buddy what my esteemed buddy is trying to say here is that he accuses u of being the banned neo nazi poster @TheBigBaldy and would like to invite u to midnite court tonight. i think that is what he trying to say buddy i am keeping an open mind and will judge u fairly.

 

[BlueLlama]

Poor Zat.

He is the Rosa Parks of Asia.

Did Rosa like touching kids too?

 

[Wizard]

Well personal experience should mean that people shouldnt use WHITE PRIVILEGE at every white person which seems borderline racist to me.

Obviously in the US theres a different spectrum, my point is that globally there are many different situations for all races. Which means that sweeping statements like the one @anjelikaferrett made about me are off piste.

I also believe that white people in the US / UK or many other places living in primarily non-white areas will suffer racism and certainly arent privileged as white people.

This is not what is meant by white privilege in this context though. Of course there are white people in countries Western/majority white who have a harder time than some black people in those countries.

White privilege is more about the system as a whole. Put it this way, if a black person in the UK or US is born into exactly the same situations, the black person will have much harder time in life than the white person. At any level of society this is true from the poorest all the way to the richest. Just look at the treatment Obama got as President compared with almost any white president. All the rubbish he had to deal with over the birther movement which was purely due to the fact he was black. No one ever asked Trump to prove he was born in the US.

There are examples of this at every level of society in these countries and that is why people talk about white privilege.

 

[Zatara]

Then you should understand and empathise. As somebody else said it is time to listen, step back and see what's happening.

"You should understand"

Why dont you sit back, watch whats happening and listen to other peoples views?

Its always good to have a balanced discussion...

I’m sorry all of that has happened to you Zat.

Thanks...all life experiences

Ive seen some weird and wonderful stuff in my time.

Should probably write a novel

 

[coollino]

Thanks! I'll take a look through it






Most privileged group in society = white male.

No. Totally false.


Bum felt = yes plenty of times by both men and women without any desire for them to do so.

Cheer up etc = Plenty of times yes.

Asked to resign due to a relationship = No but those were the rules in 2 companies i worked for.

Asked to change what youre wearing = How about a female colleague removing my tie or getting felt up at office events and in smoking areas and/or bars?

Pulled over by the police = Yes plenty of times and also stopped on the street, had police plant drugs on me + threaten to arrest me as i was white and they wanted a bribe. Also force me in handcuffs to go to my condo and pay them a bribe...taken to the ATM to withdraw money and give them....

When you refuse you are taken to a police station after 30mins being handcuffed in their car and then told you either pay or you go to jail for 1 month and no one will be notified apart from your embassy.

Probably more as well if i think about it.


Refused jobs as im white = Yes plenty of times. Also refused jobs as im not the right age or gender.

I cant get swimming trunks, shoes or other clothing in western sizes either...

Dont have kids and im not female so the other questions dont apply.

Amy further questions?


Heres some for you...

Ever received calls / sms with death threats unless you transfer funds to someone?

Ever been told by the police that death threats, theft and extortion arent police matters?

Ever been stopped on the street because you look "white" and a crime was committed by a " foreigner" somewhere...maybe.

Ever been threatened with kidnap and been surrounded by people who tell you the exact places you and your girlfriend have been over the past week with photos?

Ever been sat at a boarding gate and be approached by someone with no ID, no plane ticket to threaten you unless you go back through immigration? Then bring security to take your passport and walk back past immigration...



Whats this "white privilege" and how am i part of the most privileged group in society".

Because, you know thats what all white men are apparently...

Missed this gem, ahahahahhaa.

You are complaining that they do not use Western clothes sizes?

How the hell did that even enter your head as an example lol

 

[larrygobfiend]

We should set up a gofundme for poor Zat.

All he wanted to do was to travel east in search of vulnerable young Asian women and now he’s become the victim.

A tragic tale.

 

[mill]

I'm wary of getting involved in this because ultimately I agree wholeheartedly with the basis of what you're saying. I don't agree with the bolded bit though, and I don't think it's a particularly healthy way of looking at it.

Your opinion on women's rights is every bit as valid as your wife's. There are certain aspects of the matter which you may not be as qualified to talk about as she is, but generally speaking your opinion carries just as much as weight as hers. It's a dangerous path to go down to just believe that every time a woman talks about women's rights or a person of colour talks about racism that they're right and you're wrong.

Sorry if I wasn’t clear but this isn’t really what I was saying. I wasn’t saying I couldn’t have an opinion or that I’m automatically wrong. That’s not what I was saying at all. In fact I’m not sure I did.

I’m saying that as a white man and with my experience of racism, that’s my opinion shouldn’t be given as much weight as someone of colour when it comes to talking about what defining racism is or how it feels or what the experience is.

The fact is, I’ve never experienced racism. Ever.

I can imagine what if feels like, I can empathise. But I can’t tell you what it feels like to live outside of white privilege.

And so I can have an opinion, but I’m always more likely to put more weight behind the opinion of those who have lived it.

I find it a bit weird when white people argue that white privilege doesn’t exist. When so many people of colour are screaming that it does and are angry and hurt and have clearly had enough.