Current Affairs General US politics (ie, not POTUS related)

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JimmyJeffers said:
Is Clarence Thomas not deep state? So
confusing.

Hard to have much respect for him regardless after all the ‘freebies’ he’s been receiving.
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Tough to know. What I can confirm is that Derpstatebleu is a clown who has an unshakeable infatuation with Trump, the latter being a guy who sexually fantasizes about his daughter. So much winning.
 
verreauxi said:
Tough to know. What I can confirm is that Derpstatebleu is a clown who has an unshakeable infatuation with Trump, the latter being a guy who sexually fantasizes about his daughter. So much winning.
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If you wish to bring up a President's sexual liaisons with their daughter I'm quite willing to do so in the Joe Biden thread.
 
dylsexicbleu said:
SCOTUS rules college admissions based on race are unconstitutional. A win for the good guys. Though expect colleges to quietly jettison test scores and intelligence as an entry to their establishments. Soon even you or I may be able to study Medicine or Physics at Harvard.
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The test scores and grades are among the primary items used as a barrier to entry, so I wouldn't bet on that. The Court's primary objection seems to be the apparent existence of racial quotas, based on how much time Roberts spends talking about the tight demographic bands Harvard adhered to during the time period in question. Universities could probably fight this with statistical models, where they identified students who outperform the scores we would expect to observe. They could use diversity factors they're allowed to consider like parents' income, the student's school's relative test score performance and what not. We know good and darned well that racial factors tend to predict the baselines, on those.

Roberts came out swinging about that sort of approach, but I have a hard time seeing it stick if the response is sophisticated. I think he would fight something like a geographic approach as thinly-veiled. I think we will learn something about just how committed Harvard (and others) are to need-blind. If they want to keep those numbers looking the way they currently do under this decision, they will probably end up pulling a lot more from rural America and urban blight than at present.

It's worth pointing out that if you look at the demographics, Asian-American students are the one demographic that is already overrepresented by a huge margin (factor of three) at Harvard. That comes primarily at the expense of Hispanics, and to a much lesser degree at the expense of African-Americans. The proportion of White students is more or less exactly the proportion nationally. A cynical way to look at the decision is that the Court found for Asian-Americans saying that they should get an even larger share, at the expense of the socio-economically disadvantaged, given current admissions criteria.

The implication is that the present selection process may not be the best, if we value diversity and the meritocracy of talent. Roberts raises some valid points, but he has a little more faith in the values of the institutions than I probably would have. I think the big universities can beat this, but it will come at a financial cost. Will they pay it? If so, I would not be surprised to see Asian-Americans get shafted by this decision in the end.
 
Toffee_Loaf said:
It seems the town crier has a new conspiracy theory today ... "everyone must agree with me" sob sob
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Remember when I destroyed you in various threads regarding the insurrectionists, using actual court documents as evidence; you got spanked so hard you childishly lashed out and changed my post to a homophobic slur and then got banned for it?
 
dylsexicbleu said:
If you wish to bring up a President's sexual liaisons with their daughter I'm quite willing to do so in the Joe Biden thread.
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I'm looking forward to you bringing up some tremendously devastating Deep State (<--dramatic music plays) evidence of Joe Biden having a Satanic ritual with his daughter's blood, or something of equal childishness. That's exactly what I expect from you.
 
LinekersLegs said:
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Salient points being the privileges that are ignored or don't (and should) influence applications.
Can we have SAT adjusted scores for applicants that took SAT prep courses and similar.

I have been a part of university (graduate level) admissions. The differences having connections and affluence makes is vastly underestimated and never considered.
 
Martin Alvito said:
The test scores and grades are among the primary items used as a barrier to entry, so I wouldn't bet on that. The Court's primary objection seems to be the apparent existence of racial quotas, based on how much time Roberts spends talking about the tight demographic bands Harvard adhered to during the time period in question. Universities could probably fight this with statistical models, where they identified students who outperform the scores we would expect to observe. They could use diversity factors they're allowed to consider like parents' income, the student's school's relative test score performance and what not. We know good and darned well that racial factors tend to predict the baselines, on those.

Roberts came out swinging about that sort of approach, but I have a hard time seeing it stick if the response is sophisticated. I think he would fight something like a geographic approach as thinly-veiled. I think we will learn something about just how committed Harvard (and others) are to need-blind. If they want to keep those numbers looking the way they currently do under this decision, they will probably end up pulling a lot more from rural America and urban blight than at present.

It's worth pointing out that if you look at the demographics, Asian-American students are the one demographic that is already overrepresented by a huge margin (factor of three) at Harvard. That comes primarily at the expense of Hispanics, and to a much lesser degree at the expense of African-Americans. The proportion of White students is more or less exactly the proportion nationally. A cynical way to look at the decision is that the Court found for Asian-Americans saying that they should get an even larger share, at the expense of the socio-economically disadvantaged, given current admissions criteria.

The implication is that the present selection process may not be the best, if we value diversity and the meritocracy of talent. Roberts raises some valid points, but he has a little more faith in the values of the institutions than I probably would have. I think the big universities can beat this, but it will come at a financial cost. Will they pay it? If so, I would not be surprised to see Asian-Americans get shafted by this decision in the end.
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I fully expect colleges to continue race based acceptance into their establishments, they'll just tweak their criteria to suit legal requirements. Still, I think it makes it slightly more difficult for colleges to discriminate on race.
 
RAFUH said:
Salient points being the privileges that are ignored or don't (and should) influence applications.
Can we have SAT adjusted scores for applicants that took SAT prep courses and similar.

I have been a part of university (graduate level) admissions. The differences having connections and affluence makes is vastly underestimated and never considered.
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The connection factor is an even bigger issue at the level of faculty selection. It's a very open secret, because it is impossible to hide. If one person with prestige infiltrates a top department, they tend to bring their high-quality close friends and former graduate students along for the ride as slots open. Having one of those people vouch for a candidate also matters a great deal, because network members trust one another's judgment.

As you slide down to the level of admissions, affluence starts to play a larger role. Extra-curriculars, both at the high school and collegiate level, are something heavily influenced by an applicant's ability not to have employment. Ditto for test-prep services and what not. Schools also matter a great deal. Kids who attended ones like I did, where we had dedicated, effective staff who came in and taught us how to beat tests from a very early age, are likely to outperform kids who attended schools without those kinds of resources.

IMO, a lot of the admissions process is designed to justify the legacy admissions that keep the donation money flowing.
 
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