Current Affairs General US politics (ie, not POTUS related)

[TN Toffee]

Most of the significant matters in American politics all pertain to social issues, such as abortion, LGBTQ, race relations, religion, gender identity and so on. Fiscal matters such as healthcare isn't at the forefront with most of the public. I'd support a national health care but there has to be a clear strategy on how it would work. All good things sound good on the surface, but in reality it's most likely not good in the long run. I don't want a socialized society like how they have it over in Sweden and if people are really willing for that, they are free to emigrate. Introducing a socialized healthcare will just hurt the common working American who has 5 kids with a housewife.

Only 39% of Americans believe in the actual evolution theory, over 80% believe in God, and a huge chunk of our population are religious holding traditional values. You say the left are "terrible at fighting back" but how can you fight back with something so destructive to majority of Americans? How can Americans accept their kids being in drag shows or is that because the Left are failing at their job?

Why do you put so much emphasis on a national airline or national broadcaster? That's a very trivial matter lol.

I think you would do well to turn off Fox News. All that culture war bulls*** is probably grabbing the headlines there, but fiscal matters and healthcare very much are at the forefront for the majority of people. As James Carville famously said, “It’s the economy, stupid.” Obviously Republicans want to screech about social issues, because if they do that loud enough, maybe their voters will continue to be distracted from how hard they’re being screwed over by the people they keep putting in office.

Also, lol at some idyllic vision of a male breadwinner kissing his stay at home wife and five kids as he heads off to work. You’ve shown an ability to construct complete sentences, so we all know you’re smart enough to know there’s nothing “common” about that type of family anymore. It’s not 1955.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Also, lol at some idyllic vision of a male breadwinner kissing his stay at home wife and five kids as he heads off to work. You’ve shown an ability to construct complete sentences, so we all know you’re smart enough to know there’s nothing “common” about that type of family anymore. It’s not 1955.

Not least because its impossible to get by on an average income with one breadwinner

 

[Prevenger17]

Lads, put him on ignore.

 

[emir]

Not believing in the theory of evolution is like not believing in cheese. It isn't a question. There is no debate. If 40% of the richest nation on earth are thick enough to disregard it, then they need to be educated.

You know who Ben Carson is ? He is one of the greatest neurosurgeons that America has produced. Probably the most educated person you would ever meet yet he disregards the evolution theory and calls it the "work of the devil". You need to understand the nuance on why somebody may not believe in evolution, its not just down to "lack of education" as you put it.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

You know who Ben Carson is ? He is one of the greatest neurosurgeons that America has produced. Probably the most educated person you would ever meet yet he disregards the evolution theory and calls it the "work of the devil". You need to understand the nuance on why somebody may not believe in evolution, its not just down to "lack of education" as you put it.

Then he's either lying or (in that particular regard) an idiot. The theory of evolution is not contestable. It is demonstrably true. You can test it. You should question and test it, in fact... because that's how science works.

A nuerosurgeon dismissing a scientific theory as "the work of the devil" is crazy in that it disregards how his field of study developed. Witness

5 Ways Ben Carson Relied On Evolution In His Work

Carson is an author on several publications that rely heavily on that devilish construct known as evolution.

www.forbes.com

 

[emir]

Yes, 80% of Americans say they "believe in God" but that's the lowest level in generations and it is declining. More telling, fewer than 25% attend services regularly and that number is declining, too. Perhaps this is due to the fact that people's kids are far more likely to be "groomed" for sexually deviant activity in church environments than they are in schools.

Significantly more than 34% of Americans believe in evolution, try nearly double that number - 62%, also growing in number over time.

61% of Americans support abortion rights
70% of Americans support gay marriage
By far the #1 reason people in this country declare bankruptcy is due to medical expenses. Socialized healthcare would be one of the biggest boons to the common working American with a family imaginable and most business owners I know would be thrilled with no longer having to deal with health insurance for employees.

The "traditional-values" holding areas of this country (what you would refer to as Red states) have higher rates of divorce, teenage pregnancy, crime, poverty/welfare, and lower levels of educational attainment when compared to Blue states. So if "culture matters" are forefront in the minds of folks like you and the people of those states, you and they are doing a damned poor job of living those traditional values.

Finally, if you don't want to wear orange spray tan and heels or think it is deviant/immoral behavior, that's fine. Donald Trump can do so if he wishes.

Do you have any source that says only 25% of Americans attend service regularly? That seems way too low.

Bro you need to understand that most people who believe in evolution in America also believe in the fact that God played a part in evolution, which is very different to the original Darwin's theory because Darwin makes no reference to a "higher power" calling the shots.

Those figures for gay marriage seem a bit too high, do you have a source for that?

Yes red states tend to have more poverty, crime, and worse living standards. At the same time, those red states had jim-crow laws not too long ago and those effects are still being felt to this day with the economic disparity.

 

[emir]

alright Emir, I've been giving you the benefit of doubt but what is this nonsense?
You think he should adhere to your religious beliefs re. abortion?
and your argument was that there were some vaccine mandates?

What's exactly the confusion here? @BlueTX Is complaining that he doesn't want right-wingers to "impose" their views on the population yet the left-wingers have already imposed their views in many states by enabling vaccine mandates. Isn't that imposing their views?

 

[emir]

Mate, I have very good friends from the US who are educated, and have travelled beyond their borders. They are frankly embarrassed at the level of ignorance in their fellow citizens.

Essentially, the red necks that landed in the 17th century with their bitter, self centred attitude of a "superiority" over all others has remained strong in a frighteningly large corpus of the US population. They destroyed the native population and brought slavery from Africa. They have never moved beyond this attitude.

Sadly there is a large rump in the UK at the moment with a similar "I hate everything foreign" attitude to the rest of us that are trying to live together peacefully.

What Putin is doing is leading us to destruction of hundreds of thousands of innocents on the basis that Russia is superior to anything foreign.

The thing is, many educated people in America have these "traditional" views as well. Look at Ben Carson for example. I know few medical students in America and they believe the Earth is only 10,000 years old.

To assume that ones beliefs is due to "lack of education" is extremely ignorant.

 

[TN Toffee]

The thing is, many educated people in America have these "traditional" views as well. Look at Ben Carson for example. I know few medical students in America and they believe the Earth is only 10,000 years old.

To assume that ones beliefs is due to "lack of education" is extremely ignorant.

Overall lack of education may not be the issue. Maybe framing it as a surplus of indoctrination in VERY specific areas of study is more accurate. It's very hard for a person to "unlearn" a falsehood they have had drilled into their head since before they were even capable of thinking for themselves.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

The thing is, many educated people in America have these "traditional" views as well. Look at Ben Carson for example. I know few medical students in America and they believe the Earth is only 10,000 years old.

To assume that ones beliefs is due to "lack of education" is extremely ignorant.

Believing the world is 10,000 years old requires you to reject centuries of empirical evidence to the contrary. What other motive would there be than lack of education?

 

[longers]

I honestly don’t understand how such an obvious WUM can continue to get so many bites !

 

[BlueTX]

Do you have any source that says only 25% of Americans attend service regularly? That seems way too low.

Bro you need to understand that most people who believe in evolution in America also believe in the fact that God played a part in evolution, which is very different to the original Darwin's theory because Darwin makes no reference to a "higher power" calling the shots.

Those figures for gay marriage seem a bit too high, do you have a source for that?

Yes red states tend to have more poverty, crime, and worse living standards. At the same time, those red states had jim-crow laws not too long ago and those effects are still being felt to this day with the economic disparity.

It's quite odd that you incorrectly state something as a fact and when corrected reply that I, who corrected you, need to understand a specific fact related to the issue - that isn't a fact. Unless you can somehow prove "God played a part in evolution".

Please use Google to do the research on the numbers.

Jim Crow was an expression of "traditional values".

 

[BlueTX]

What's exactly the confusion here? @BlueTX Is complaining that he doesn't want right-wingers to "impose" their views on the population yet the left-wingers have already imposed their views in many states by enabling vaccine mandates. Isn't that imposing their views?

The confusion is yours.

The state does not get to establish a religion, thus is forbidden from imposing religious beliefs upon others.

The state can and does have the power to establish public health policy. Included in that policy there may be religious exemptions allowed.

You conflated the two in an attempt to whatabout the matter.

 

[Walken]

Bro you do realize that suggesting voter ID laws being racist is directly insinuating that minorities don't have the expertise to setup a voter ID, and only whites are capable of doing it? Here watch this video:



It's not about disproportionately affecting people of color. It's about bringing in a system that's meant to fight voter fraud. Voter ID laws are present in almost every civilized democratic nations and it should be the way how elections are ran.

I thought our original discussion was about Texas, and not United States. Why have you turned this into GOP getting less votes in the US, rather than just focussing on Texas? As far as my understanding goes, Texas has been a very heavy red state for decades and it's always been a conservative state since its creation.

GOP receiving less votes in the US doesn't matter, it's the electoral college that matters and it's always been 50/50. It's like celebrating having more shots on target in a soccer game, yet losing the game on goals. Then again, the whole popular vote thing isn't even true. The two Reagan victories in the 80s have been landslides, in every possible metric.

I'm not sure if you actually realise the 'evidence' you try to provide for your far right relgious fanatic opinions not only weaken your argument, but also destroy your credibility. You are an oddball about 50 years behind the times

 

[Walken]

Lads, put him on ignore.

indeed, another dumb dholliday disciple to add to the bin